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Post by jacklyon on May 31, 2023 13:16:25 GMT -5
Redwing, it's doing a great project, that will be soon available, with A LOT of vintage airfields, on europe and on USA. The only "problem", is that is not freeware, and sometimes redwings (most true for aircraft than for sceneries), practice high prices Hopping, that for his vintage airport/airfields, price will not be so high. redwing-copter.com/menu-1935/you can see in "airfields", the HUGE amount of classic airports/airfields, that they are doing Also, the speak about a way to "convert" on vintage MSFS is on WIP (some kind of "Golden Wings 3" but for MSFS) PS: I bought two of his modern works (LFLY Lyon Bron, and Brindas), and work is of very good quality as you can see in pictures on his site. Cheers Alejandro |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2023 14:12:18 GMT -5
Really impressive, I agree. So as quintessence, should everything created, done und shown so far, now be considered as simple, housemade, childish and even stupid?
Bernard
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Post by Jorge on May 31, 2023 19:21:59 GMT -5
Really impressive, I agree. So as quintessence, should everything created, done und shown so far, now be considered as simple, housemade, childish and even stupid? Bernard NEVER! Picasso may look like finger-paints compared to Monet, but it's still fine art to those that have an eye for art!  Keep up the work, Bernard! Jorge Miami, FL |
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Post by jacklyon on Jun 1, 2023 5:09:08 GMT -5
Really impressive, I agree. So as quintessence, should everything created, done und shown so far, now be considered as simple, housemade, childish and even stupid? Bernard Hi Bernard, no, the good news (MSFS is a wonderfull new platform with an really optimized graphic engine, at with an SDK really open. all the wonderfull job, you do, we do in this site, for FS91, is possible to get some things, also for MSFS i am working in convertion of "Rio de la Plata" to MSFS, and LFLY 66 to MSFS, and Chambery to MSFS, i will explain the workflow in another thread. BUT, when i use P3D, i use my "Rhone Alpes 60" scenery, and when i use FS91, i use, all the works of this site, (and ours projects also  ) MSFS is just another platform with a new graphic engine, and system, that allow a lot more things (sometimes, only a quick "ModelConvertX" of one of models of the library of RDP_FS91, look better on MSFS without change anything!) (because the new engine graphique of MSFS calculate the "ambient occlusion" directly, and others things, so, even very simple objects, look nice. Maybe (i don't know), REDWING saw calclassic.com and that gave inspiration for his 1935 MSFS project As i said, is not freeware, but, if they put a correct price, i will probably buy some of them... |
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Post by jacklyon on Jun 1, 2023 10:04:11 GMT -5
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Post by jacklyon on Jun 9, 2023 18:28:15 GMT -5
REDWING started to publish on MSFS marketplace, his 1935 scenerys
The prices are in average OK, ... the most expensives 1935 airports are a 10.99 (Amsterdam, Berlin) most others Le Bourget, Lyon, Geneve), are at 8.90, and there are the little ones at 4.90
there are a big pack USA 1935 that try to modify in the "golden wings style" some parts of USA.
maybe later redwing will make "bundles" with cheaper prices i don't know
Not tested yet, but i will do in a near future.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2023 3:19:35 GMT -5
Alejandro, where did you got the price informations? There is a link to the marketplace, but no prices are mentioned.
BTW, there are already some manuals which could be downloaded. They are well very documented and at least interesting even without using MSFS.
Bernard
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Post by jacklyon on Jun 11, 2023 11:34:29 GMT -5
Hi,
in MSFS, we can buy it at "marketplace" inside de simulateur, some payware developers, sell his scenerys/aircrafts, on his own sites, and on MSFS (inside) marketplace, others, prefer to
sell only in MSFS marketplace. (is the more practical for buyers, because ll things are automatized: you can buy the scenery or the aircraft, and MSFS download and install it for you without need to restart MSFS (but sometimes it's recommended). Redwing sells most of his products, on MSFS marketplace, (and sometimes simmarket)
I bought, LFLY 1935 Lyon France, EDNY 1935 (Friedshafen Germany), and KWER 1935 (Newark USA)
Price are: 8.90 for LFLY and EDNY, and 6.90 for Newark.
Yes i downloaded the manual.
I tested a bit, doing some flight around.
Overall Quality is very good (not outstanding but very good).
There are nice little period details.
I will like to have some extra details at LFLY Lyon (an historic airport that i know well), but, it's welldone
and historically correct, and with the "grass" that came with MSFS default, it's true that vintage 30s airfields, become very realistics.
The idea (once will really finish the FRANCE 1935, GERMANY 1935, and USA 1935 modify packs),
is exactly the same as Golden Wings 3 from Bill Lyons, for FS91, but for MSFS
I'm not dissapointed with this 3 sceneries. I recommend.
As i said will be nice, if redwing, make "bundle packs", to reduce airfields price, when we buy severals at same time, but, well, maybe in the future.
cheers
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Post by Jorge on Jun 12, 2023 18:10:05 GMT -5
It's good to know things are coming along on this. It would be nice to finally see a real successor to Golden Wings, even if it is payware. As you said, if the prices are affordable the sales will speak for themselves. I think the reason for the faulty mesh or areas in some places may have to do with the fact you have to lay down an entire layer above the default scenery, as opposed to excluding (or in the case of my project, eliminating altogether) the original scenery underneath via a secondary method. In earlier versions, you actually had an exclude file. Here it seems you just do the polygon and you're good to go. Much easier, but you have to be careful since you may have artifacts if you missed something small. In the excludes I've done with SBuilder9 for FS9, you can tell very quickly if you need more coverage to exclude something. Then again, we did have those pesky lights and telephone poles all over the place too. I wonder if there's a cfg file somewhere in 2020 that will let you change out what is there? Maybe like the default.xml in FS9/FSX that allows you to swap out models for the autogen library if you want. Not as smooth as the generic autogen buildings, but nice if you have the LOD's done properly for the library objects. Regards, Jorge Miami, FL |
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Post by jacklyon on Jun 16, 2023 5:54:19 GMT -5
Hi Jorge, yes Asobo made a "organize scenerys" option inside MSFS, this seems work, but is still in beta. I bought another one from redwings, at 8.90 euros: Geneve 1935 (8.90 euros), it's really nice done, there are not a lot of buildings (airfields was more little at that times...), but i found redwing capture really the "ambiance", of that time. I will surely, month after month, make grows up, my collection of 1935 redwings airports..., This "golden wings MSFS wave" motivated me, to make some "freeware" version of a kind of 30s/40s version of Chambery 62, Challes-les-Eaux 62, Grenoble 62, St-Geoirs 62... to complete this side of map Also, i want to finish, my "Seaplane C.A.U.S.A. Terminal at Montevideo Doc (Uruguay) Also another that will be nice to do is, the Pan Am Seaplane Terminal at Miami. (Redwing made the two big ones, of this area, Geneve and Lyon) For the moment i'm not working on sceneries, only on modern landmarks for France, but this will probably a must on my future developpemnts. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2023 15:57:33 GMT -5
Meanwhile I downloaded all manuals available. Most texts are repeated, and the specific airport informations are restricted to just a rough chart. So not very helpful to be used for FS9 enhancements. At least they allow to discover some new airfields like Goshen, Mercer and Allentown.
Bernard
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Post by jacklyon on Jun 19, 2023 15:43:29 GMT -5
Meanwhile I downloaded all manuals available. Most texts are repeated, and the specific airport informations are restricted to just a rough chart. So not very helpful to be used for FS9 enhancements. At least they allow to discover some new airfields like Goshen, Mercer and Allentown. Bernard Agree, the "manuals" are not awesome... they need more work most of them... |
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Post by jacklyon on Jul 26, 2023 4:33:52 GMT -5
I bought, some others 1935 MSFS sceneries from redwings, soon, will be "bundle packs" in MSFS marketplace, to have better prices.
Quality is there, "style 30s" is there. All is not perfect, and i will check how good "support" is (updates, fixs, etc)
but it's a really good start.
i study a bit, how Redwing work to "backdate" land on MSFS, i think i understood the workflow.
i will probably do soon, some freeware "vintage airfield, airports", not necessary from 30s, it's depend
the information i found, and the scenery that i found the more interesting to do for me
Luckly we have the huge FS91 Calclassic collection of airfields/Airports, to see how a lot of airports look at 60s, 50s.
(it's better to start knowning, sizes, and position of things, and general geometrie of building, etc)
lot of times, create older verions of airports, (50s, 40s, 30s, 20s) consist to remove building and hangars from
70s 60s versions of airports.
There are some of the scenerys of calclassic FS2004, that i would like to do a MSFS version of its,
(not convert the objets, only use as inspiration, guide to do new ones)
Cheers
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Jul 26, 2023 8:46:58 GMT -5
Feel free to convert any of my buildings, with credit given in the text file. They aren’t really MSFS quality though.
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Post by jacklyon on Jul 27, 2023 18:06:51 GMT -5
Feel free to convert any of my buildings, with credit given in the text file. They aren’t really MSFS quality though. Hi Tom, thanks yes the idea, is not doing "direct conversion", only use the sizes, and geometry, to help me to do news objects from scratch, but with the right size and geometrie taked from FS91 models. (import the .obj in blender to get the sizes/metrics, and start from there a second model, and texture it) The ideal, will be to have all the pictures, all the people that work on calclassic sceneries use to make his models. Someones, i can found it in internet, others is more complicated. I also loose a lot of historical pictures, of my collection some time ago, by a bad manipulation in my hard disk  (a huge collection... of airport postcard and pictures) if you know some places to get "historical airport/airfields" pictures (of 60s 50s 30S), please tell me. Cheers. |
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