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Post by sunny9850 on May 18, 2011 17:17:34 GMT -5
LOL that's a somewhat novel way to ask for a release date It's not quite finished yet but closer to finished than not. Cheers Stefan
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Post by ejoiner on May 18, 2011 22:24:01 GMT -5
My understanding was that the eyebrow windows didnt last long. That the prototypes had them but then were later deleted on production aircraft. Other than the C-69 aircraft, I thought these all eventually disappeared (eyebrow windows.)
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Post by volkerboehme on May 19, 2011 0:37:03 GMT -5
Hi,
the eyebrow windows were present on the L-49, L-649 and L-749 but were removed from the C-121A and the subsequent L-649A/749A.
However, many earlier aircraft had the eyebrow windows removed sooner or later. It seems that TWA had that done quite early and some of the refurbished C-69 did not have them any more once converted to an airliner.
Best regards, Volker
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Post by trebor716 on May 19, 2011 10:39:30 GMT -5
I don't think the only surviving C-69 (the TWA connie at the Pima air and space museum) has them anymore
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Post by mjahn on May 19, 2011 12:50:09 GMT -5
Surely the main point is they looked darn nice!
(OT, Trebor please check your PM.)
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Post by volkerboehme on May 19, 2011 15:43:39 GMT -5
Hi,
no, the Pima Connie certainly doesn't have them any more. I'm not quite sure when they went, possibly as early as the conversion from C-69 to civilian airliner.
It appears to me that TWA abandoned eyebrows quite early, while otheres retained them for a longer period. Seems like by the mid-fifties, most eyebrows were gone and I yet have to see a picture of a L-49 both with weather radome and eyebrow windows. Weather radar was compulsory by theearly '60s, but that was the period when most L-49's were just being retired.
It's all about saving weight and maintanance costs, I believe.
Best regards, Volker
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Post by sunny9850 on May 19, 2011 16:11:33 GMT -5
Any "seam" to the outside world is a pressurization nightmare to begin with. Making that seam with dis-similar materials such as glass and metal makes it harder yet again. So unless 100% necessary for safety of flight such things as crew view ports are deleted as soon as possible. All the older SWA 737s had their eyebrow windows deleted and the newer ones obviously do not have them to begin with.
I know that during the design of the latest tube liners at both Boeing and Airbus the teams at least discussed the possibility of building the new airplane without real windows.
But....in our wonderful world of bits and bytes we don't have to succumb to such mundane things as maintenance and cost. We can fly a 4 engined propliner to go for a $100 hamburger. And banking the L-049 and looking out the top for the runway to slip into view ...... it's just way cool ;D ;D
Cheers Stefan
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Post by acourt on May 22, 2011 14:57:01 GMT -5
My experience is that eyebrow windows serve two purposes: 1) Awesome stargazing at night; 2) Searing the pilot like a turkey in a cheap convection oven But they sure do look nice, both on the 049 and the 2-0-2! And the DC-9/717 looks a little too...Boeing...without them Al
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Post by todd2 on May 29, 2011 14:47:37 GMT -5
Anyone else checking the forum everyday for new news besides me?
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Post by volkerboehme on May 29, 2011 15:37:28 GMT -5
I do ... Volker
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Post by todd2 on May 29, 2011 15:44:51 GMT -5
That's not fair Volker! I can't hold my breath much longer! I'm flying the 749 TWA right now so that's keeping me going for now. Actually I lied in the previous post I'm checking the forum at least twice a day. ;D
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Post by trebor716 on May 29, 2011 17:33:29 GMT -5
me too! post more pics!!
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Post by mrcapitalism on May 29, 2011 19:54:13 GMT -5
You guys keep adding new posts.. and that makes me check it to see what's the latest!
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Werner
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DC 6 B, C 47, L 749
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Post by Werner on May 30, 2011 5:27:29 GMT -5
me too!
Werner
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Post by Matthew Anderson on Jun 1, 2011 20:42:42 GMT -5
Count me in as well. The L-049 always caught my attention and is one of my favorite Connies.
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