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Post by Wolfgang on Oct 7, 2014 14:39:08 GMT -5
Hi,
found this video today:
Today's planes are boring to me in design.
Both, Boeing and Airbus, looking the same to me.
But the formation flight is spectacular.
But risky ( XB-70 comes in mind )
What do you think ?
Cheers
Wolfgang
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Post by philmoberg on Oct 8, 2014 8:58:21 GMT -5
That was an impressive performance. A couple of things occur to me with respect to the XB-70 incident: this formation didn't look nearly as tight as the one in the footage I've seen of that incident, and it didn't involve a relatively light fighter flying in or close to the wake vortex of a large bomber. I would have to believe that Airbus, and the industry in general have a much better understanding of the nature and extent of such phenomena and planned for it when the choreographed the whole thing. I'd be interested to hear what those who have actually flow airliners think.
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Post by milspecsim on Oct 15, 2014 14:52:45 GMT -5
The F-104 flying formation with the XB-70 was flown my a civilian with little formation flying experience. He made a mistake and you know the rest.
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Post by deltalima on Nov 6, 2014 19:24:27 GMT -5
The F-104 flying formation with the XB-70 was flown my a civilian with little formation flying experience. He made a mistake and you know the rest. Sure about that? Because I had no idea a WWII USAAF pilot could through all his training, fly P-38s in wartime, earn a DCF and Air Medal, fly chase as a NASA pilot through untold X-1, X-2, X-3, D-558-1/2, and X-15 missions (yes, the project pilots of the aircraft all flew chase many times before actually flying the test aircraft in question) - and have little formation flying experience. While pilot error was one of the considered factors, it had far more to do with the compounding of his lack of visibility vis-à-vis the wingtips and their wakes' vortex effect, the severity of which was not known until after the investigation. dl |
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Post by milspecsim on Nov 7, 2014 3:25:04 GMT -5
So good pilots are immune to mistakes?
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Post by deltalima on Nov 7, 2014 12:22:42 GMT -5
So good pilots are immune to mistakes? That wasn't my claim, plus that's too ridiculously obvious to even comment on. Rather, I was addressing the claims made regarding Walker's formation flying experience, and how simplistic and out of sync they are with the scores of accounts in books written by Tony Landis, Don Mallick, Fitz Fulton - all of whom were either flying the plane or were involved during the Valkyrie programme. No personal attacks given by either party here - but rather than debate in obtuse abstractions, I'll let the published, credible, first-person accounts in published books and journals on the matter speak for themselves. And while I'm thinking about it, I believe you're working on some interesting scenery projects in and around that era, right? Just let me know if you would like any data from my collection of books on the AFTTC/NASA/Dryden topics. PM me, and I'm happy to research and share as required, if I have the data. Sound ok?  Anyway, back to the topic - cool video, thanks for posting. Not a big fan of modern airliners either for similar reasons as Wolfgang, but I'm guessing these kind of flights are a real rarity, and with a degree of airmanship very unlike regular airline route flying. cheers, dl |
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