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Post by Tom/CalClassic on May 31, 2019 9:16:29 GMT -5
Hi all, as you might know, some of my propliner models are being converted to FSX format, which allows them to be used in P3D, among other things. This leads to the question of which models should be included in the FSX Base Pack, which you install over the standard FS2004 Base Pack to customize it for FSX. Thus this poll. If I don’t get a reasonable response I will probably go with FSX Models with FS2004 backups but that’s subject to change if I am convinced otherwise.
Advantages of the FSX Models: Display in P3D You can see the clouds through the blurred props Separate VC allows you to mix and match plane and VC
Advantages of the FS2004 Models: Better bare metal reflections (IMO) Better night lighting (IMO) Better landing light splashes (IMO) FS2004 liveries display as intended
So FSX (and later sims) users make your choice, and let me know your reasons in this thread if you want.
Thanks,
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Post by Erik on May 31, 2019 16:53:26 GMT -5
Sorry, FSX rookie here, not even at it yet. Where you speak of the advantages of the models, does that refer to using either type in FSX, the FS2004 ones possibly with some adaptions? And if installation always starts with the FS2004 base pack, what exactly would be extra in terms of FS2004-stuff in an FSX base pack?
Thanks a lot, Erik
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on May 31, 2019 19:09:07 GMT -5
Hi,
Currently the FSX Base Pack for the DC-7C (which does not contain a panel) is pretty limited - it includes a new aircraft.cfg file with a lower starter engine torque to slow down the the prop acceleration upon starting and thus make them a little more realistic (since you cannot use the FS2004 slow prop rotation in FSX). It also includes a thumbnail.jpg file so you get a picture in the Select Aircraft menu.
The FSX Base Packs for planes with panels (like the DC-7) also include a panel.cfg file with the FS2004 slow start gauges removed (so it doesn't crash FSX) and supercharger, config, and panel sound gauges that are better compatible with FSX.
I would include the FSX MDL files in the FSX Base Pack if people decide that, perhaps along with model.FS9 type folders for the FS2004 models if needed for certain liveries (due to the textures not looking good on the FSX model or just personal preference).
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Post by jacklyon on Jun 1, 2019 15:58:51 GMT -5
Hi Tom,
Great news the conversion to FSX native, but not understand well.
If you will make an FSX/P3D pack, must be at last in FSX native format right?.
What is the meaning of "with FS2004 backup"? for use it where? not understand exactly.
Cheers
in the doubt i vote for a 100% native FSX.
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Jun 1, 2019 16:44:42 GMT -5
Hi,
Yes, FSX native format. The DC-7C has already been converted, and others may follow.
I assume that there will be folder like:
model model_FS9 model_noradar model_noradar_FS9
With FSX native MDL files in the first and third folders, and FS2004 MDLs in the others. That way if you are using FSX you could specify which model you want to use. If you are using P3D you would only use the FSX native models.
But I probably won't do much of anything until I hear if the DC-7C with the DC-7 panel and sounds is P3D compatible. I'm hoping someone like you will test that.
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Post by deltalima on Jun 1, 2019 19:54:25 GMT -5
My vote is separate FSX/P3D packs.
If it were 5 years ago, maybe some kind of blended / port over pack could make sense. But now FSX offerings are more aligned with the LM sim.
I’d say keep two streams. One for FS9 and another for FSX/P3D.
It’s only a rough analog, but that’s the method that the MAIW folks use, and for many of the same reasons. Especially insofar as to how optimizing scenery and AI aircraft for those two streams of sims.
Of course, I’ll enjoy whatever, however, Calclassicx releases.
Thanks,
Daniel
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Jun 1, 2019 21:21:57 GMT -5
I've decided not to create separate FSX packages. I don't use it so I don't want to have to update two separate packages. If someone else wants to take on that duty I'd be happy to let them.
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Post by jacklyon on Jun 2, 2019 4:34:07 GMT -5
I've decided not to create separate FSX packages. I don't use it so I don't want to have to update two separate packages. If someone else wants to take on that duty I'd be happy to let them. Sorry, not understand, the FS2004 base back exist already right (is the one you can download)? You are talking about make an FSX/P3D pack right? So, why put a "backup FS9", the FS9 base pack exist already, you just need to make the FSX/P3D one. Sorry if i miss understud, The poll is to help you decide that or is already decided? not very clear to me when i read the thread, excuse my english .
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Post by jacklyon on Jun 2, 2019 5:21:09 GMT -5
Hi Tom i install your conversion of DC-7C beta, in my P3DV4.5 install, and all seems work ok (animations, and gauges) Just a suggestion, maybe if possible, put the gauges in panel directory (to make a more easy to transport aircraft) I download, FS91, FSX update, and your .mdl, after that, i need to download also the panel and the sounds (from United pack) and, a first sight, all seems OK. I am not an expert on DC-7C so i probably not will see everthing i will do a little fly on my RA1960(WIP) scenery from Lyon to Chambery and i keep you informed is all goes well Attachments:
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Post by jacklyon on Jun 2, 2019 5:59:25 GMT -5
I have problems to take off, the oil lights, remain power on (intermitent on off on off) (i don't know how shut off), and even at 50% and 120 kts, airplane not want to take off, i must use "Y". sorry, if is a problem of my inexeperience with this appareil Cheers Attachments:
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Post by jacklyon on Jun 2, 2019 6:05:02 GMT -5
I have problems to take off, the oil lights, remain power on (intermitent on off on off) (i don't know how shut off), and even at 50% and 120 kts, airplane not want to take off, i must use "Y". sorry, if is a problem of my inexeperience with this appareil Cheers following, the check list, i can take off without problems... but, the oil system still intermitent on (the four)
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Post by jacklyon on Jun 2, 2019 7:09:48 GMT -5
Flight, finished, all happens well. I found DC-7 a little hard to answer to command (is very heavy to turn on air, etc), but maybe is because i not know well DC-7C Animations Stair work ok Attachments:
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Jun 2, 2019 9:43:57 GMT -5
Hi,
Ok, do I understand that people would instead prefer to have a separate FSX version, separate from the FS9 download? On further reflection, I could do that if that’s what people really want. It would contain only FSX models and gauges and would find the FSX folder automatically - one step install.
jacklyon thanks so much for testing in P3D. For the oil lights did you stop the engines on the ground, put on the parking brake, and click the oil quantity gauges on the overhead panel until they were full? (or change the fuel amount using the Notepad Planner)?
Let me know,
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Post by jacklyon on Jun 2, 2019 12:22:09 GMT -5
Yep, it's better if we fill with oil the oil tanks, so the alert oils cockpit light, not power on (thanks for the tips, i not know, as you see, i am a very expert DC-7C P3D45 pilot ) two more little pictures, of wonderfull CC aircraft, on Prepar3D 4.5 64 bits (all seems to work very nice ) Attachments:
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Post by jacklyon on Jun 2, 2019 12:41:46 GMT -5
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