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Post by Jorge on Aug 23, 2020 9:41:40 GMT -5
Just went to the MS website for a peek. Not that I plan on getting this anytime soon either, but I was just curious to see what they were putting online for people to buy. I got these numbers from their requirements section: The only change I did was add the (RAM) and (VRAM) notes above for clarification.
My guess is that you can run everything at the minimum with FS9-style graphics, but if you want to see the "shiny-new-style" stuff you're going to need the "recommended" requirements (read: "for the best experience" line above). I think we ran into this type of semantics with FSX so many years ago, but I could be wrong (hope I am).
Not sure what they mean by the three different editions since the "explanations" given don't really clear things up for me.
1. I understand you get the five and 10 additional airports and aircraft with the two further editions, but what comes with the Standard? 2. Would those that buy the other editions be able to "share" the aircraft and airports with those that didn't, or are they digitally "locked" to the version that you bought? 3. Based on that question, will developers be limited to certain editions (i.e. do you need to buy the Premium Deluxe Edition in order to even use the SDK when/if it comes out for general public use)? 4. Will developers have to "chose" what edition they are going to develop an addon for? (i.e. if the addon is developed for the Premium Deluxe Edition it can't be used in the other two).
I understand there are too many things that are going on in people's lives right now to worry about all these things. Maybe down the road a ways when things around the world calm down and we have some sort of "normalcy" we can get back to seeing how we can obtain computers that can handle the new stuff. Considering I mostly fly (if and when I'm able to) offline with all my AI cranked to full, I don't think I'm going to worry about this thing for quite some time. After all, it took me until 2019 when FSX was on sale for $9.99 on Steam to even get the thing - and that was almost 10 years after the original came out! In all fairness, I did recieve the FSX:Gold in 2012 as a gift. I just never installed it until I got the Steam one, and that was for the SDK more than anything else.
For now I'm happy with my FS9 CalClassic for flying and my FS9 PlatinumWings setup for testing/developing. If I have the urge to do combat flying I fire up the IL2:1946 - B.A.T. install I have. I used to have CFS2 with all kinds of upgrades, but it finally died a few months ago. Considering family and work stuff, that's more than enough for me right now to get my mind off things.
Hope everyone's doing well and looking forward to more input on this.
Jorge Miami, FL
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Aug 23, 2020 10:36:14 GMT -5
Looks like they dropped the DX12 requirement, that's helpful.
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Post by edakridge on Aug 23, 2020 12:00:53 GMT -5
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Post by Al on Aug 23, 2020 15:01:35 GMT -5
I installed it on the 19th (I told myself I would wait much longer but apparently couldn’t hold out). Install went pretty smoothly on my less than minimum requirement (it tells me so every time I fire it up) AMD 8gb mem, 2gb gpu. Set it up at aspen In the Cessna 152 with no changes to default settings it chose, mostly medium settings, and not configuring anything to do with my control stick etc and just took off, after hunting all over for the brake release. Wow, crazy real looking scenery and pretty smooth frames with some stuttering here and there but other than that not bad.
Next went into settings to change some control functions to more closely match my FS9 settings to make it easier to fly. Tried Aspen again and much better this time being able to trim etc so Not fighting with the controls.
Next decided I would give JFK a shot without changing anything. That was not a good idea! I’m guessing it took a half hour to load before getting the press any key to start your flight, I did and maybe 15 minutes later I think I finally saw the first frame movement then another about 5 minutes later. Needless to say I had to kill it. I will say each frame looked so good you could mistake it for a picture. Needless to say the minimum requirement is necessary to run with settings anything greater than minimum. I have since moved everything to low and sim still looks better than anything before it. And FPS is ok if you stay away from the major cities with detailed airports.
I am still playing with sliders and assignments trying to see what I can get out of my existing machine. It seems I must now decide whether forking out $1k + for a new machine to fly MSFS2020 at max settings in modern times, given I don’t do any modern flying now with FSX or FS9, is worth it. But I have to say it is a lot of fun flying over real looking scenery everywhere you go. Makes exploring the world a lot more interesting than our current sims.
I’m interested in whether anyone else from this forum is trying it out yet or planning too soon.
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Post by Al on Aug 23, 2020 15:10:09 GMT -5
By the way I installed the delux version since it appears you can upgrade. I know I got 5 more airports and more small aircraft than the standard version, big iron comes with the top version. I cannot answer yet any of your questions about what you can and cannot do with each version.
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Post by Pacific SMX on Aug 24, 2020 7:32:34 GMT -5
Hi Al,
I've bought it but am now having a problem with my CH yoke, throttles and pedals. I'm not sure if it's a CH problem caused by the sim or what. Regardless, all 3 have "disappeared", not only in the new sim, but also in FSX and FS9. They reappeared briefly and I went back and remapped everything in all 3 sims only to call it night before flying, and now they've disappeared again. Frustrating me to no end. Kind of like getting a new bike for Christmas only to discover the inner tubes are missing from the tires! I have gone online trying to find a solution but to no avail. I could understand one of the 3 failing on me, but not all 3 at the same time. Well, I do agree though that in the brief time I've had with the new sim that I'm impressed (I've got all of 15 minutes of flight time before I lost the CH products). I sure don't want to go out and get other manufacturers control systems-pretty well shot the wad on the new computer I bought to handle it. Even if I could afford it, everybody seems to be out of stock at the moment due to the new sim. Anybody have any ideas out there on what could be causing the problems I'm having?
Regards, Phil
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Aug 24, 2020 8:46:04 GMT -5
Have you tried unplugging one/them when this happens and plugging them back in?
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Post by Jorge on Aug 24, 2020 9:06:23 GMT -5
Thanks for the heads up on this! I really appreciate it! At least it gives you an idea that there will be 20 airplanes and 30 airports that are detailed as opposed to generic. Unfortunately they're still not telling you what airplanes and which airports, though, like they do with the other "extras" you will pay for in the other editions. Why not? Why are they not saying which 20 planes and which 30 airports? Are they keeping the DC3? Do you have airliners with the Standard Edition? Racing P-51 from FSX? Are JFK, SeaTac, SFO, and LAX one of those detailed ones? One of the things you had with FS9 and "legacy" advertising in general: you knew what you were buying. I remember this type of informative advertising was generally done across the board regardless of what the product was. My guess is that the younger generation is accustomed to purchasing things without fully understanding what they are getting into as long as they have a general idea, but maybe I'm wrong on that. I just don't like spending money on something if I don't know exactly what I'm spending my money on. It's taken too long to earn! Jorge Miami, FL
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Post by Jorge on Aug 24, 2020 9:07:25 GMT -5
Phil,
Probably a day late and a dollar short on this, but have you tried to update the drivers?
Jorge Miami, FL
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Aug 24, 2020 9:49:46 GMT -5
Here is a listing of the aircraft included in the various editions, assuming it's correct: www.windowscentral.com/list-microsoft-flight-simulator-planesThe entire list: Airliners Airbus A320neo Boeing 747-8 Intercontinental Boeing 787-10 Dreamliner Turboprops Beechcraft King Air 350i Cessna 208 B Grand Caravan Daher TBM 930 Jets Cessna Citation CJ4 Cessna Citation Longitude Propellers Aviat Pitts Special S2S Beechcraft Baron G58 Beechcraft Bonanza G36 Cessna 152 Cessna 152 Aerobat Cessna 172 Skyhawk Cessna 172 Skyhawk (G1000) Cirrus SR22 CubCrafters XCub Diamond DA40 NG Diamond DA40-TDI Diamond DA62 Diamond DV20 EXTRA 330LT Flight Design CTSL ICON A5 JMB VL-3 Pipistrel Virus SW 121 Robin CAP 10 Robin DR400-100 Cadet Zlin Savage Cub Zlin Shock Ultra
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Aug 24, 2020 10:00:48 GMT -5
One comment I see is since they are releasing this on gaming platforms, it seems that this list may not be very "sexy" to them. Planes like the SR71 and F-14/15/16/18/22 might have been better choices?
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Post by Pacific SMX on Aug 24, 2020 10:19:58 GMT -5
Hi Tom,
Yes, I've tried unplugging them and plugging them back in. The CH website has a "CH Manager" which doesn't do much but states that the devices are plug n play and don't have drivers for them on their site. Now that I go back and do a generic look for drivers I see a site, driverscape.com that offers them. I'll give that a try when I get home from work later today and see what happens. Thank you for the help though and I'll let you know if I have any luck.
Regards, Phil
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Post by jacklyon on Aug 24, 2020 12:39:37 GMT -5
Hi Al, I've bought it but am now having a problem with my CH yoke, throttles and pedals. I'm not sure if it's a CH problem caused by the sim or what. Regardless, all 3 have "disappeared", not only in the new sim, but also in FSX and FS9. They reappeared briefly and I went back and remapped everything in all 3 sims only to call it night before flying, and now they've disappeared again. Frustrating me to no end. Kind of like getting a new bike for Christmas only to discover the inner tubes are missing from the tires! I have gone online trying to find a solution but to no avail. I could understand one of the 3 failing on me, but not all 3 at the same time. Well, I do agree though that in the brief time I've had with the new sim that I'm impressed (I've got all of 15 minutes of flight time before I lost the CH products). I sure don't want to go out and get other manufacturers control systems-pretty well shot the wad on the new computer I bought to handle it. Even if I could afford it, everybody seems to be out of stock at the moment due to the new sim. Anybody have any ideas out there on what could be causing the problems I'm having? Regards, Phil Did you install the last update of Windows 10?, when you do that, that break configuraiton from some devices, to fix saitek pro-panel, you need this: uraster.com/en-us/products/usbenhancedpowermanagerdisabler.aspxI have Saitek Yoke, Saitek (now logitech), X-52 PRO, and Saitek rudder pedals, all work ok on MSFS (but with a new "mapping", not very similar to FSX/P3D (but is possible, to modify) For, propanels... seems that driver not exist yet, and FSUIPC is not compatible yet, so you must wait
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Post by jacklyon on Aug 24, 2020 12:47:12 GMT -5
So is anybody here flying MSFS2020? Do we call it FS11? Seems to be heavily optimized for VFR single engine piston flying. ATC doesn't look as good. I'm incredibly disappointed that the FSX Learning Center got cut, and there are no liveries for the airplanes. But the clouds look fantastic. I personally don't use it as the latest DCS map is already pushing my system to the limits, and those graphics card prices are steep! I'll also be waiting a little longer. I wouldn't mind seeing a version of the Douglas and Lockheed propliners in that nice hanger view (which I guess is a replacement for the external model preview of FSX/FS9). Is anybody using it? Thoughts? I bought Premium version. It's a wonderfull new simulator, but.. MSFS is not a finish product, is a "comercial preview", a think that DCS call it "Early access", we pay, will be finished, but is not yet. it will be constantly upgrades (as DCS or IL2NG), BUT, DCS an IL2NG are not really "open SDK simulators", and MSFS is it!!! well SDK is unfinished, but is 100% open. it's a very promising platform, i think this time Microsoft, not go in the wrong way but, to have all completed, severals months will must happens. Some things are wonderfull (on california near Santa Barbara for example), some place of San Diego, some others, need tuning. Aircraft are flyable, but not finished. I bought some ORBX add ons, Santa Barbara, London City and London Landmarks (as i bought already for P3D, ORBX gave big discount) Most of airports in premium version, the quality is not always the same. Gibraltar is good, Madrid is ok, but some others, are not betters than P3D default versions.. Telluride cames with MSFS "default", but i have Telluride from ORBX and it's far better... But again, is a very promising new platform, the add ons (payware and freeware) that will come, will be great i feel it
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Post by jacklyon on Aug 24, 2020 12:53:53 GMT -5
One comment I see is since they are releasing this on gaming platforms, it seems that this list may not be very "sexy" to them. Planes like the SR71 and F-14/15/16/18/22 might have been better choices? Hi Tom, they signed licences, with Textron, Diamond, etcetera, to have "official support" from aircraft making companys, and they privilege, GA aircraft because it's really a simulateurs for GA Militar aircraft will come (IndiaFoxEcho is working on it), as add on, helicopters also (by Asobo, and by others) i think, they leave "fighters" for payware/freeware developers...
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