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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 13:42:53 GMT -5
November 29, 1959 was the roll-out of the first Lufthansa B-707-430 D-ABOB. In addition to preparing the 707 flight operations at the "green table", planning for the upcoming flight training in January 1960. Ryan Airport (KRYN) at Tucson, Arizona was chosen as a suitable site for training the prospective 707 pilots of Lufthansa. Even today, Lufthansa flight students and pilots are being prepared for their work in the airline's cockpits under favorable meteorological and climatic conditions in the Lufthansa Flight Training Center at Goodyear, Arizona. On February 3, 1960, flight training could begin in Arizona after the Boeing 707-430 D-ABOB was taken over at the manufacturer in Renton. On February 9, after 15 hours of intensive training, chief pilots Rudolf Mayr and Werner Utter were the first Lufthansa captains to acquire the 707 license. On March 2nd, 1960 at noon, the airline's first Boeing 707-430 landed at Hamburg Fulsbüttel. The jet era began. The B-707-430 ready for taxi out at Ryan Airport, over Tucson, and endless touch n'go's. Bernard
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Mar 13, 2021 14:09:29 GMT -5
The beginning of the pure jet age at Lufthansa. Service across the Atlantic started March 17th according to my OAG, with other flights March 19th and March 28th (out of 14 Super Star flights a week in March). Then a new schedule on April 1st began jet service in earnest, with only two Super Star flights a week out of 13 total. These ended on May 14th when those flights were taken over by jets, ending Lufthansa transatlantic propliner service. The April 1st timetable also marked the end of premium Senator service on the airline with available berths.
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Post by Herman on Mar 14, 2021 7:58:46 GMT -5
Nice images of the LH 707-430 short tail. Interesting information. Herman
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Post by aharon on Mar 14, 2021 11:01:35 GMT -5
Bernard,
Thanks for interesting explanations on how and where the German airline pilots were trained for 707s. Never knew that they were trained in KRYN airport for 707s.
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Aharon
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Mar 14, 2021 13:15:19 GMT -5
As I remember Japan Air Lines did much the same thing in Washington state. Moses Lake?
When I lived in Sacramento we often had airliners (and USAF aircraft) doing touch and gos at Metro. Long runways and little traffic.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2021 14:31:56 GMT -5
The runway at Ryan Airport wasn't very long. Just about 5,300 ft. Curiously Renton runway is no longer either. Anyway I had to reduce drastically the gross weight of the HJG B707-420 to get it taking off as AI on the short runway.
Bernard
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Post by aharon on Mar 14, 2021 15:20:53 GMT -5
Bernard,
It does not require much fuel for training flights plus no luggages and no passengers hence shorter runway although it got me wondering how could pilots get training experience needed for future flights using totally loaded 707s with full luggage load, full passenger load, and normal fuel load since it is important to have experience handling and dealing with flight dynamics from heavy weight load.
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Aharon
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Mar 14, 2021 15:24:39 GMT -5
For heavy weight work, they probably used Tucson Intl or a nearby military airfield?
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Post by mrcapitalism on Mar 14, 2021 17:19:42 GMT -5
it got me wondering how could pilots get training experience needed for future flights using totally loaded 707s with full luggage load, full passenger load, and normal fuel load They probably didn't. It wouldn't surprise me the first time they flew it fully loaded was on a revenue flight. The profiles and procedures they would practice and test (outside of air maneuvers) would have been designed for the fully loaded condition anyways.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 10:33:15 GMT -5
Lufthansa already ordered a B707 simulator in June 1957. The first jet pilots had enough time to get get accustomed to this type of aircraft.
Bernard
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Post by Jorge on Mar 15, 2021 13:11:26 GMT -5
it got me wondering how could pilots get training experience needed for future flights using totally loaded 707s with full luggage load, full passenger load, and normal fuel load They probably didn't. It wouldn't surprise me the first time they flew it fully loaded was on a revenue flight. The profiles and procedures they would practice and test (outside of air maneuvers) would have been designed for the fully loaded condition anyways. Sounds about right. First time I ever flew an airplane with real conditions (weather, weight, operational status, etc.) was with the back full. Usually we did this on the less hectic routes such as from KIAH, but we would do them out of KEWR as well. Nothing like NY controllers to let you know you're now in the Big Leagues! A part of me does miss it, but considering my health I think I'm better off keeping them on the computer for now. Besides, this allows me to get my hands on radials! WOOHOO! Jorge Miami, FL
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 15:29:04 GMT -5
In fact my story had to begin here: on November 18, 1959 with the roll out at Renton, and to end with the first touch down at Hamburg Fulsbüttel on March 2, 1960 at noon exactly. In my version the Lufthansa B-707-430 D-ABOB crosses at Renton this B-707 becaming well known some years later. But that's an other story! Bernard
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