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Post by beeker46 on Jul 10, 2021 13:42:13 GMT -5
I have very little hair left, and I am still pulling what is left, out in frustration lately... Since my computer will no longer even attempt to start FSX, all I have to fly with right now is MSFS. I do not want to pay for/learn new software like Prepar3D or X-Plane, MSFS is obviously more than enough for my limited brain cells to handle.
Anyway, I have to tell you of my problems... I have re-installed MSFS three times now, removed and added in the few mods that I like, but after a short while of happy flying, the sim crashes and my system goes into reboot. Sometimes in minutes, other times after an hour, it is random. Hair pulling random. So, the last reinstallation, I did not add any optional content, no world updates, no added scenery, added aircraft, none of my mods. All is well at first, then it start crashing/rebooting again. I suspect something hardware related, so I make sure all my drivers are up to date, no overclocking going on (MSFS supposedly hates any and all overclocking), I even price compare for a new flight yoke suspecting my current yoke and pedals might be the problem. A third reinstallation of MSFS and right out of the box, boom, crash/reboot. I even changed out my RAM to an older pair that came with the computer, no good. Just as I am about to declare MSFS a loss, I try something out of desperation...
I change over to offline mode, no streaming scenery, no live aircraft, nothing. A cringe worthy and short flight... and all is smooth and problem free. Okay, breathing better, not exactly liking offline mode, but I could get used to it... No, I have to try other ideas, I have to see what is messing with my flying. So I add back the online mode, but keep AI on offline. Another short hop and still smooth, no issues. I slowly add back some mods, still no issues. Okay, one final test, I turn the traffic back on to Live. Crash/reboot...AHA, found my issue. All this time, that is all it was.
Sometimes, I really hate computers...
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Post by mrcapitalism on Jul 10, 2021 15:23:23 GMT -5
I feel your pain, FSX didn't want to start last week. I ended up doing repair of FSX:A. What solved it was installing a hotfix for NVidia display drivers. But I realized my repair of FSX deleted a majority of the custom fonts for my payware airplanes. Which meant I basically got to run repair installers for all of my Addons. I had to reinstall my FSL A320-X.
I'm trying to keep my hands away from my hair!
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Post by aharon on Jul 10, 2021 15:33:36 GMT -5
Why and what is error message? Regards, Aharon
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Post by aharon on Jul 10, 2021 15:43:13 GMT -5
I change over to offline mode, no streaming scenery, no live aircraft, nothing. A cringe worthy and short flight... and all is smooth and problem free. Okay, breathing better, not exactly liking offline mode, but I could get used to it... No, I have to try other ideas, I have to see what is messing with my flying. So I add back the online mode, but keep AI on offline. Another short hop and still smooth, no issues. I slowly add back some mods, still no issues. Okay, one final test, I turn the traffic back on to Live. Crash/reboot...AHA, found my issue. All this time, that is all it was. When you speak of online mode and offline mode, are you referring to Vatsim?? Regarding AI traffic, it happened to me for same reason when I was connected to Vatsim so I disabled World of AI traffic and everything is fine. I think it happens because the new pilot client version 2 software of Vatsim does not automatically disable any AI traffic the moment when anyone logs into Vatsim unlike the older Sqawkbox version 4 software which always automatically disabled any AI traffic when being connected to Vatsim. Hence my decision to disable AI traffic before I log into Vatsim and re-enable AI traffic after I log off Vatsim. I think the cause is that a computer cannot decide and cannot interpret when it sees your plane with same registration number while at same time sees another plane with same registration number from any AI traffic AND sees another plane with same registration number from Vatsim plane flown by a Vatsim plane. Imagine computer reaction when seeing 3 planes with same registration number hence leading to system crash. I learnt that lesson when I was flying Norwegian Air 737 with specific registration number only to see FIFTEEN other planes with same airline and same registration number from Vatsim AI traffic flown by Vatsim pilots and the same plane with same airline and same registration number from World of AI traffic that caused the crash. When I disabled the AI traffic and tried the same air space, it worked well. Regards, Aharon
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Jul 10, 2021 17:10:29 GMT -5
MSFS loads its detailed scenery via the internet (online), along with many other things. You can choose an offline option, but then the scenery and such are no longer as detailed and photoreal. So no Vatsim involved.
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Post by mrcapitalism on Jul 10, 2021 17:40:31 GMT -5
I also believe he's talking about the native FS11 traffic. It supposedly takes traffic data (ADS-B) from public sources and injects them into the simulator. I hear it has all kinds of problems though (like a lot of things with the new simulator).
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Post by beeker46 on Jul 10, 2021 20:00:36 GMT -5
what Tom and mrcaptilsim said is correct; MSFS, not FSX or VATSIM... I know the new sim is still cutting its teeth, and its this teething problem that makes me crazy. I stayed away from FSX for nearly ten years before I started with it, but now with my system refusing to run that software, all I have left is MSFS.
However, I am curious about this hotfix for nvidia drivers referred to, might get that old gal (FSX-SE) back up and running....
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Post by mrcapitalism on Jul 10, 2021 21:25:27 GMT -5
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Post by aharon on Jul 11, 2021 9:54:55 GMT -5
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Jul 11, 2021 11:40:15 GMT -5
Well, in order to get ground textures customized for that exact area you must be online. Otherwise you get generic textures like P3D, etc. I assume even those look better than previous sims, though.
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Post by mrcapitalism on Jul 11, 2021 12:02:53 GMT -5
There's also the ability to save a portion of the high detail scenery to your local disk. But otherwise, it's impossible to have that scenery without being online. You, and everybody else in your entire city block doesn't have the computer storage space for them.
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Post by beeker46 on Jul 11, 2021 20:20:27 GMT -5
Update to my earlier problem, and I could bang my stupid head against the wall for my, well, stupidity. I started using something outside of MSFS that was making the sim mess up; MSI Afterburner. Not that I was overclocking anything, but I was using the monitor to keep an eye on my GPU and CPU temperatures. After the latest round of frustration, I decided to 'clean things up' a bit on my system, get rid of processes and programs that I really didn't need any longer, Afterburner being one of them. I then fired up MSFS once more (just for the sake of it) and turned it back to Online Mode (just because I was feeling sadistic towards myself) and much to my surprise, I had a hassle free flight. Surprised, and skeptical that I might have just had a lucky flight, I shut it down, waited a moment, and started the sim back up again. Another flight, hassle free, with all the usual bells and whistles turned on (no Live Weather, and no Live traffic). I then googled the idea that Afterburner might be the culprit, and read several forums of public debate that indeed, Microsoft and Asobo speak unfavorably towards MSI Afterburner for the very reasons that I was experiencing, system crashes and reboots. I have an internet connection that can easily handle anything my household throws at it, so staying online and flying online is not a problem for me...
My earlier conviction that I may be getting too old for this computer nonsense still stands, however... The last two weeks probably took more than a few months off my life span, and I can ill afford to do that at my age, lol....
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Jul 11, 2021 20:49:40 GMT -5
Glad to hear you figured it out.
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Post by edakridge on Jul 12, 2021 4:11:02 GMT -5
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Post by beeker46 on Jul 12, 2021 6:39:23 GMT -5
In truth, I no longer need to monitor temps, I gleaned all I wanted to know already... I had suspected that I might be overheating, when I was no where close to it. I just didn't know the monitoring was the cause of all my flight simming woes... but I will add that to my list of useful websites, thanks for posting.
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