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Post by garryrussell on Jul 8, 2009 18:11:11 GMT -5
Hi guys Does anyone have, or know of any real life Bristol Britannia sound recordings. I've never heard one, but from what people who have tell me and the odd snatch of a Brit on You Tube etc, there is nothing in FS that sounds remotely like it. This is a major stumbling block on my Britannia project Thanks Garry
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Post by eddiejez on Jul 9, 2009 10:26:31 GMT -5
HI, Garry, Ive heard them a long time ago from the out side they have quite a deep tone but not loud and not much of a whine Ive tried lots of sounds for Jen's Britannia and not found any quite like it the closest Ive found are the sounds that come with updated cv580 here but those seem to vary to much with the engine revs and don't have quite a deep enough tone all the best Edd,
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Post by garryrussell on Jul 9, 2009 10:46:36 GMT -5
Hi Edd Thanks for your reply The deep tone will be from the 16 foot props. Some vids have them screeming like a Dart wiithout the shreik or prop buzz on others they sound like a big Dash Seven. I saw one on the ground in 1968 parked and a few in the LHR stack, same year, which I didn't really hear. I well remember a Monarch overhead trailing with just a muffeled throb and I saw the last Brit heading for Kemble with a similar drone. So I am in no position to access a Brit sound ATB Garry
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Post by dutchman2 on Jul 9, 2009 12:05:10 GMT -5
I understand the turboprop connie sounds are similar enough.
I like the idea of a britannia (or a CL44) but isnt there a superfreighter out there waiting to land?
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Post by garryrussell on Jul 9, 2009 12:14:40 GMT -5
The Connie sounds would not be close.......the prop is too different to be anything like it. The Superfreighter ..see avatar...has still items to source. Stuff is so difficult 35 years after the type became totally extinct. Also due to my medical condition I can only use a laptop and the Superfreighter model is too big and complex for that to be handled on the laptop..As mentioned before I was ill for a long time before the op last winter, complications are still forthcomming from that. Effects and sound are being done by third parties and cockpit side views were trying to be sourced off a 31 in Australia but that has gone cold and now there is an attempt to get them off a 31 in Canada. The basic cockpit is about the only interior parts common with the Superfreighter. The Britannia was intended before the Superfreighter but it took a while to get the plans for it and when I finally did and made the basic up I found them inaccurate and had to rebuild it. It's a case of working on what I can when I can and at the moment that is the CL-44 engines Garry
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Post by eddiejez on Jul 9, 2009 16:05:35 GMT -5
HI Garry, there was a MK1 superfreighter parked near the perimeter fence at Orlando Sandford airport in Florida when I was there in 2004 I don't know if its still there, I am supposed to be going there in October to a wedding if I go I will see if its still there ! ,Edd
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Post by garryrussell on Jul 9, 2009 18:31:15 GMT -5
Hi Eddie There is only one Mark I and that is on display in Argentina and that last flew in the mid sixties. The Superfeighter is the Mk 32 and the last one was broken up in 1975. I can't think which one you saw in Florida unless the Canadian Flying example was down there. I doubt it is there now but you can always take a look. There is a 21 in Australia and some 31's in New Zealand, one in Australia and at least three in Canada one of which is airworthy. The 31 would do for the 32 side cockpit views but the others are too different. Thanks for the thought If there are some who are not familiar with the Superfreighter this is it The more common type in other parts of the World other than the UK and near Continent was the shorter nose variant of which some still exist This is a proof of concept mock up of a 31 converted from the Superfreighter model Garry
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Post by PeteHam on Jul 9, 2009 21:00:27 GMT -5
Hi Gary, I'm another that's looking forward to the release of the Freighter. But it's more important that your health improves first. All the best. Pete.
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Post by aerofoto on Jul 10, 2009 1:07:26 GMT -5
I like the look of that last image of Garry's .... but .... I'd like to one day see it painted like "THIS" .... www.nwan.co.uk/images/class5zkcpt.jpgGetting back to BRISTOL BRITANNIA audio ....I've only ever heard one audio edited vidio clip from the period .... apparently accurate ... on a video entitled "WINGS - THE JET AGE". If this's an authentic recording .... then those Bristol Proteus turboprop engines (I think that's what they were) and propellers, appear to have quite a deep and hard tone .... at high power/RPM .... quite unlike the Allison's applied to the L188, or any other period turboprop that I'm familiar with. What they sounded like at low power/RPM I couldn't even hazard a guess Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by garryrussell on Jul 10, 2009 2:16:14 GMT -5
One day Mark The only thing that stops me painting it at the moment is that I've not made it yet ;D ATB Garry
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Post by aerofoto on Jul 10, 2009 4:57:32 GMT -5
YEAH .... I know ! ;D Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by Wolfgang on Jul 10, 2009 7:43:47 GMT -5
Hi,
what's about the soundset of the Tu 114. I know it has much more powerful engines, but this sound is really deep. Maybe as a base sound, cut down to two engines and then add some specific harmonics.
Best Regards Wolfgang
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Post by garryrussell on Jul 10, 2009 8:20:04 GMT -5
Hi Wolfgang Thanks for the reply Really it's lost on me as I can't make sounds and have not heard them I have someone making the sounds but he's not heard them either Then I have someone who worked on them, know well how they sound but can't make them or describe them in a way we can understand. I'll point these suggestions at him and see what happens. Once I can get his satifaction then I can liase with the soundman and leave it to them ;D All The Best Garry
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Post by dutchman2 on Jul 10, 2009 9:55:50 GMT -5
Hi;
With reference to my above comment about the turbo Connie, I was refering to the YC121 sound file. The one I have (i presumed it to be the original - maybe wrong in that assumption) is by Adam Murphy and it claims in the read me to be for Brittania and CL-44.
I listened to my copy of the John Tansley DVD "Big Props Europe" last night. They had a CL-44 landing and taxing. I must agree that the engine does sound alot like the Dart. So, plugged in my YS-11 Dart sound and that puppy comes pretty darn close to what I heard on the DVD.
With reference to the CV580 sound comment, I remember in a read me for an Alison D501 (CV580 / C130) sound file that some of the files from the YS-11 Dart were also used in that mix.
My only experience with the CL-44 was way too many years ago with with Flying Tigers. Through a family friend, who was a pilot with Tigers, I got lucky enough to get a look around and get onboard one out in the hangar. Also got a chance to sit in the cockpit procedures trainer.
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Post by garryrussell on Jul 10, 2009 10:10:09 GMT -5
Hi Dutchman Thanks Yep I know which one you meant and the smaller 3 bladed prop will sound very different to the four bladed 16 foot props of the Britannia.......but as I mentioned above I'll point my freind towards it. The Britannia though sounded nothing like a CL-44 which is why I get suspicious when sounds claim to be for both. As people who worked with both types have told me it is difficult to imagine two sounds for similar aircraft that could be further apart. This is why I am requesting the whereabouts of real Britannia sound recordings. I ahve a few sketchy ones of the CL-44 which also needs a lot more research. The Tynes of the 44 were quite noisy but sounded very different to the Vanguard as the Vickers type had compressors driven by the inner engines giving that type distinctive whine, something the 44 doesn't have. The sound investigation has been going on since the project was started which is about two years as background reaearch Garry
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