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Post by Wolfgang on Aug 27, 2008 14:28:45 GMT -5
Hi Yes I´m sure. Take a deeper look into the development of the Me 262, Ar 234 and He 162. They have massive problems with material. As an example you can use the Jumo 004 engine. First developed as Jumo 004A with high quality heat strengthened metal. It wasn´t possible to get this engine into mass production, because they haven´t enough of molybdenum, chrome, nickel, wolfram and other steel additions. They have to reconstruct the Jumo 004A to the 004B, which uses mostly normal deep drawing sheet steel. The lifespan of a Jumo 004B was then maximal 50 hours. As a sidenote: the most used german word in WW2 was "ersatz", that says it all or ? An other example is the He 162 which is build mostly of wood, because there wasn´t enough aluminum there at the end of the war. Also later models of the Bf 109, the K model has many wooden parts. The economic capacity of germany during WW2 was much worse then the capacity of WW1 !!! Cause is massive mismanagement Best Regards Wolfgang
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Post by Dennis the menace on Aug 27, 2008 15:46:42 GMT -5
Ersatz coffee, made from burned wheat and corn, with some type of weed put in it. The confederates did the same type of thing, due to lack of recources and a blockade on trade. Yeah, Adrian, these people were old and unhappy with living in East Germany, and longed for "the good old days" (gulp). I didn't give much creedence to it, just dismissed it as older people rambling on and telling tales. Wolfgang, you're right on "ersatz". Ersatz everything. I heard it told that there was no bananas or oranges for sale during the entire war. I remember the first time I went to a restaurant in East Germany in July of 1984, and asked for asparagus. The woman looked at me and scowled "What do you think this is? France. You'll have beets and you'll learn to like them." So I was brought out cold pickled beets. For months, all I saw in the grocery stores was only chicken legs. No wings, breasts, thighs,just legs, dumped raw and unpackaged into open chest freezers like we had here in the 1950s at small mom and pop stores. I only saw one pineapple for sale in 3 years, and I paid 25 marks for it. I also will never forget all the carrots, none of them were over 3 inches in length, and all were wilted and had black spots on them. None of this bothered me, growing up in California here, Mom always bought the cheapest food with the money dad gave her, so she could use the remainder for her cigarettes and puzzle books. Needless to say, we ended up eating out alot, about 4 times a week at coffee shops Ersatz coffee was still sold in East Germany until 1990, along with Kriegsbrot (war bread), fake meat, and butter made from industrial oil. Many people have developed a strong taste for these things, and they are starting to be reproduced for sale again. Ostologie. Here is a site on ersatz food and other products. I think reinactment people like to use these www.reenactor.net/ww1/morsels/fsc/home_front.html
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Post by Adrian Wainer on Aug 27, 2008 17:11:14 GMT -5
Yeah, Adrian, these people were old and unhappy with living in East Germany, and longed for "the good old days" (gulp). I didn't give much creedence to it, just dismissed it as older people rambling on and telling tales. Hi Mike, I would have more sympathy with German people who lived in East Germany who might have held such views in that, whilst the Nazis were quite open about their activities in the likes of Poland, within Germany itself they were much more careful to preserve the fiction that Jews were merely being re-located to new territories. Whilst of course there were many ordinary Germans, who knew exactly about the Nazi extermination campaign and thought it an excellent idea, there would also have been many Germans who genuinely knew nothing about it and who would have strongly disapproved if they had. For Germans who experienced the Soviet occupation of Eastern Germany and had not direct knowledge of what the Nazis had got up to, as they would have been told many things which were propaganda and lies during the existence of the East German State it might not have been unreasonable for such people to believe that any criticisms of the Third Reich was merely communist propaganda. And what can not have helped either was that until Hitler betrayed his Axis partner Stalin, both the Soviet Union and the Third Reich were on the same side, so that the post War Soviet Union needed to tell the history of the War in a most un-realistic and inaccurate fashion, which may have further led to suspicions by East Germans that claims of crimes committed by the Nazis were communist lies. As for ersatz coffee, I got some "Coffee" once in a health food store which substituted roasted ground dandelion roots for coffee beans and I think it is as nice or nicer than the likes of nescafe, do not know though if the Germans ever used it as an ersatz substitute during the War. Best and Warm Regards Adrian Wainer
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Post by Wolfgang on Aug 27, 2008 18:36:54 GMT -5
Hi You can even buy ersatzcoffee today, ;D In western germany the brand is/was "Caro Kaffee" But today it was selled with health in mind. Margarine is also an ersatz for butter. The oldest and biggest brand is Rama ( short term for Rahmmargarine ) Back to theme : I don´t thought of foodstuffs with the word ersatz. My intention was to define the situation in the Wehrmacht and in the armaments industry. Even in 1939 the situation can be seen as catastrophal. So, you can be sure there was no possibility to build an vehicle which would be so extreme advanced even for todays standards. And back to topic: Aliens ? Why not From other systems ? why not Speed of light ? yes I know, but as I wrote earlier There are much more theoretic possibilities than to travel with a rocket from point to point. Space is curved as you know. If you are able to curve the space even more, you can travel to an other solar system with a DC-3 ;D Status Quo in physics is the mathematical verifiable existence of eleven dimensions. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-theoryWho wants to say that it is impossible to cross the dimensions in future ? Wolfgang
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Post by capflyer on Aug 27, 2008 22:39:50 GMT -5
Oh, that is just perfect!
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Post by Adrian Wainer on Aug 28, 2008 4:40:21 GMT -5
Hi Aliens ? Why not From other systems ? why not Speed of light ? yes I know, but as I wrote earlier There are much more theoretic possibilities than to travel with a rocket from point to point. Space is curved as you know. If you are able to curve the space even more, you can travel to an other solar system with a DC-3 ;D Status Quo in physics is the mathematical verifiable existence of eleven dimensions. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-theoryWho wants to say that it is impossible to cross the dimensions in future ? Wolfgang Hi Wolfgang, I didn't say that space travel at a substantial fraction of light speeds or at even several times the speed of light was impossible as e.g. if it was impossible I would have had no need to explore the idea that alien spacecraft could be visiting earth since apart from the generations Starship concept, without a very high ie substantial fraction of light speed as a minimum achievable velocity interstellar space travel would seem somewhat impractical, [ at least according to the norms of our culture ],. It is my impression and please correct me if I am wrong, that whilst scientists can think up ways of nearing the speed of light or even exceeding it in terms of velocity between two points, they can not actually construct a theory where which would allow a human being to be transported in such a fashion. Now, even if I am 100 per cent correct in the former, that there is currently no working theory that allows human transport at such high velocities, that does not mean it is impossible, for it has quite often been the case that something was thought to be impossible, not because people were coming up with the wrong answers but that they were asking the wrong questions. e.g., it was long thought that man could never achieve powered flight, on the basis that his muscles were too small and his body mass too heavy, whereas that is the right answer but the wrong question, the question is could man engine powered flight via the assistance of some sort of engine. So people may indeed be getting the right answers but asking the wrong questions and that could be why the news about the possibilities of hyper velocity space travel would seem so discouraging. On the positive side of things, if hypervelocity space travel is so difficult to achieve that it would be practically impossible even for a civilization several thousands of years ahead of us technologically to achieve, that might be no bad thing, in that whilst it is a commonly made assumption that a alien civilization which was several thousand years ahead of us would operate to the highest moral standards, this seems to me to be a most childish and idiotic assumption e.g. an insect civilization based on the model of an Ant colony but evolved to a very high level of technology, might see other species as a food supply or a convenient source of slave labor. So it might be a very positive thing that interstellar travel travel at hypervelocity would appear to be somewhat impractical, because the reality could be it appears somewhat impractical because it is impractical even with tools available to a civilization several thousand years ahead of us in technology. With these ideas in mind any efforts to deliberately contact an Alien civilization look to me to be decidedly idiotic, in that one could never know who might answer the call. Best and Warm Regards Adrian Wainer
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