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Post by jesse on Nov 16, 2010 16:28:27 GMT -5
It never ceases to amaze me; The displayed stupidity and moronic attitude of the Department of Homeland Security and TSA. This goes from the top down. They have been told repeatedly by the Pilots and the Pilot's union that it is not necessary and it is dangerous for continued Full Body Scans of the flight crews. What these Idiots have not been able to grasp is the fact that the Pilots do not need to carry any type of weapon on board. The minute they step into the cockpit, they have the weapon in their hands. If they so desire, they can either fly the bird to its scheduled destination, or they can auger it in to Farmer Browns cornfield, or if they choose; The Pentagon, The Captiol Building or even the White House. What will it take to get these jokers to see the ill-logic of their actions? Jesse
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Post by capflyer on Nov 16, 2010 18:13:12 GMT -5
Jesse,
I'm sorry, but in this case I think the unions are making a massive a-do about nothing. I have yet to find a SINGLE airport served by commercial aircraft where the only way to get airside is through security screening. However, I know that at Denver International (for example) some airlines REQUIRE the aircrew to go through normal security. Others let them go through the same airside access as the ramp workers. Same at DFW and Love Field. At no time did I ever have to go through security to get airside except during the month immediately following 9/11/2000. At no alternate access location was there anything more than a metal detector. I've been airside since the scanners and air machines were available and still I got airside without going through them.
The unions need to direct their problems where they lie - with the airlines and airport authorities, not at the TSA who is simply requiring that everyone going through security be subject to the same screening. I have my own problems with the TSA, but I also know that they're not the only problem in the issue.
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Post by ross on Nov 17, 2010 4:11:37 GMT -5
....also to be considered...Is every person dressed as a crewmember going through security actually a crewmember. During 30 years at RW/RC/NW/DL I have heard many times of crew baggage going missing from hotels or being left on busses.
Ross
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Post by capflyer on Nov 17, 2010 10:40:26 GMT -5
Not only that, but if you're Deadheading, you should be treated no differently than any other passenger (in my opinion) because you aren't in charge of that airplane that's flying so you're not usually on duty either, thus, you're just another form of passenger.
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Nov 17, 2010 12:28:03 GMT -5
What if someone knows about the lack of security for crews and they slip a bomb into the crew's bags without them noticing? I've seen crew bags relatively unattended several times out on the street.
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Post by sunny9850 on Nov 17, 2010 16:25:03 GMT -5
As someone who has to deal with TSA on almost every other day as I travel throughout the country I can definitely understand the frustrations held by most with the system as it is. Personally I do not think we gained a whole lot by making this a federal outfit, and most of the personnel I run into quite frankly would be better placed at a Walmart checkout counter.
That said...I agree that just because someone has crew credentials and uniform they should not be able to bypass the security. Or we might as well forget about it period. If a pilot does have doubts about the personal health risks of the screening units then he should be able to request a manual search at any checkpoint. Sure it will take even longer...and it may be even more unpleasant. But it will avoid the extra exposure to radiation.
Stefan
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Post by acourt on Dec 13, 2010 20:19:44 GMT -5
How do you know the TSA guy is really a TSA guy? How do you know the police officer is really a police officer? Personally I feel that the DHS and TSA should start treating airline crews as Friendlies, and not the enemy. We're on the same team.
Could someone slip an explosive into a crewmember's bag? Yes. Could someone park outside the airport perimeter and fire an SA-14 at an arriving airplane? Yes. Could someone hide a bomb inside a crying baby? Yes. Could someone pay a ramper to slip something onto an airplane? Yes.
Can we close every potential security hole out there? No.
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Dec 13, 2010 20:27:26 GMT -5
The amount of radiation you get from the scanner is about the same as 2 minutes of flight at 35,000 ft. Not much.
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Post by Lockheed on Dec 15, 2010 14:51:24 GMT -5
Do you have a source for that kind of info? And I'd be interested in knowing the different amounts at the different altitudes if anyone has ever figured that out.
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Dec 15, 2010 16:49:48 GMT -5
It was so stated on the national news, so I assume they've researched it. That may be a poor assumption, though. Edit: They apparently got it from the TSA web site: www.tsa.gov/approach/tech/ait/safety.shtmHope this helps,
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Post by Lockheed on Dec 15, 2010 17:28:24 GMT -5
OK...thanks.
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