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Post by jesse on Feb 7, 2013 15:19:15 GMT -5
While it will not apply to our propliners, I was wondering if anyone has done a paint up of American's new colors. I like them.
Jesse
P.S. the lightning bolt of the 40s is still my favorite. That plain orange and silver combo just can't be beat.
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Post by sunny9850 on Feb 7, 2013 16:06:51 GMT -5
There are some repaints for new suck-burn-blow types at Flightsim.com sporting the new color scheme but I have not seen anything on real airplanes with proper round motors.
Cheers
Stefan
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Feb 7, 2013 16:36:47 GMT -5
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Post by sunny9850 on Feb 7, 2013 20:33:56 GMT -5
Sad indeed. But hey for at least a while there will be bare metal Super-80s howling around. I think they will likely be the last to get repainted if at all. Personally I hope they simply get moved to the yard.
I wonder what my friend Joe thinks of the new paint scheme. He flew his entire commercial career for AA starting with DC-3, 4, 7s and Convair 990 and finished off on the short lived (with AA) 747.
Lately he has not been too happy with his former airline.
Cheers
Stefan
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Post by Pacific SMX on Feb 7, 2013 21:24:55 GMT -5
The news here today in Charlotte, US Air's largest hub, is that we may hear of its impending merger with American as early as next week. Odds favor Us Airs' management team running the airline. I wouldn't be too surprised to see some changes in the new paint scheme. Seems like the present group at American jumped the gun, I think more to wishful thinking that they'd keep their jobs as opposed to really doing a makeover for the airline. Guess we should know more in the next few weeks.
Regards,
Phil
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Post by capflyer on Feb 7, 2013 23:27:35 GMT -5
Phil,
I agree that it's most likely that US Airways' management will run the combined airline, but I'd put money that this new paint scheme was agreed upon by all parties, including any potential new management team before hand. Remember, United rolled out their new livery almost the same day as they rolled out the merger announcement. These liveries take months and months to put together and make sure they work on the fleet they plan to have, so any decision to change a paint scheme is never taken lightly.
Tom will like this reference, but an example of this sort of "pre-agreement" can be found in the failed Southern Pacific / Santa Fe railroad merger of the late 1980's. Both companies had agreed upon a new scheme for the "SPSF" railroad and had even begun painting locomotives in the new scheme, but the Interstate Commerce Commission denied the merger, leaving the companies with half-completed paint schemes, called the "Kodachrome" scheme. They'd even gone as far as creating a new holding company for both railroads, basically consumating the merger before the approval had been given.
With this impending merger, the new scheme gives American a new brand should the merger be denied, but it also allows for the rapid launch of the new merged airline should it be approved since the scheme is already in place.
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Post by qxtoolman on Feb 8, 2013 0:49:47 GMT -5
Phil, I agree that it's most likely that US Airways' management will run the combined airline, but I'd put money that this new paint scheme was agreed upon by all parties, including any potential new management team before hand. Remember, United rolled out their new livery almost the same day as they rolled out the merger announcement. These liveries take months and months to put together and make sure they work on the fleet they plan to have, so any decision to change a paint scheme is never taken lightly. Tom will like this reference, but an example of this sort of "pre-agreement" can be found in the failed Southern Pacific / Santa Fe railroad merger of the late 1980's. Both companies had agreed upon a new scheme for the "SPSF" railroad and had even begun painting locomotives in the new scheme, but the Interstate Commerce Commission denied the merger, leaving the companies with half-completed paint schemes, called the "Kodachrome" scheme. They'd even gone as far as creating a new holding company for both railroads, basically consumating the merger before the approval had been given. With this impending merger, the new scheme gives American a new brand should the merger be denied, but it also allows for the rapid launch of the new merged airline should it be approved since the scheme is already in place. I don't think the Feds are going to stop this merger after letting all the others happen. The only ones that screw this merger-up are themselves. American is still clinging to the misguided hope they can go it alone. But once the Creditors got behind this, they have little choice, and that's what I think was a good play on US Air's behalf, going to the creditors way early in the game. Also they went and sold their plan to the Unions. The other "Stef" |
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Post by rally on Feb 8, 2013 13:08:31 GMT -5
Not surprising seeing the end of bare-metal schemes, what with less and less of modern airliners being made of bare metal at all.
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Feb 9, 2013 12:54:29 GMT -5
Those who have been here a long time may remember Kevin Trinkle, who is working for US Air in their IT department. Hopefully he will be OK. Ah yes, the Kodachrome scheme (because it was red and yellow, the colors of Kodachrome boxes). Even today when they are shown at RR slide shows you get boos.  Poor old SP really got the short end of the stick, since they did actually merge but SPSF was ordered to sell off the SP. They sold the railroad (to Rio Grande) but kept all the land and natural resources subsidiaries, which were the real money makers. Then SPSF renamed their railroad back to Santa Fe. SP fans never forgave Santa Fe for that one. |
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Post by dave mcqueen on Feb 9, 2013 14:22:44 GMT -5
Reminds me of the day USAir formally took over PSA. I worked the first one out of the chute at SMF early in the morning and I deliberately called the flight- "PSA----" then "apologized" and said I should have called them "USAir.". The captain sadly said: "Thats OK. We gonna call ourselves 'PU' Air!"
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Post by capflyer on Feb 11, 2013 11:46:29 GMT -5
I don't think the Feds are going to stop this merger after letting all the others happen I was using the SPSF merger as an example of how much work goes on before a merger actually happens, not that I thought they were moving ahead of the game or anything. The United merger probably had the same amount of pre-announcement planning and agreements already in place, they just chose not to "release" the first repainted jet until a few days after the merger was approved. The plane had been in a "C" check anyway, so the final thing was just repainting the plane which only took a few days so it worked out well for them. With the American/US Airways merger, it works in American's favor either way to start rebranding now because whether or not the merger goes through, they can start painting planes and rebranding. If something causes the merger not to happen (very unlikely) the planes get repainted. If the merger goes through, the planes get repainted. Win-win for everyone involved. That was the point of my post more than anything. BTW, the question of whether the resulting airline would be "American" or "US Airways" was answered almost 20 years ago when they first tried to merge. The final airline that time would've been American. Nothing has changed from then to now to make that position change for anyone. American has the better international slots and routes. |
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Post by milspecsim on Jul 25, 2013 6:18:18 GMT -5
Im late getting in on this one, but the new American colors don't work for me. Plus the new logo reminds me of Greyhound Bus Lines...
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Post by jesse on Aug 26, 2013 9:29:39 GMT -5
From all the hoop lah on the tube, it looks like the merger with AAL and USAir will fall by the wayside. The folks that sit in the capitol bldg seem to think it will be too large for the economy to handle. Who knows? On another subject, I was just wondering what the rotation speed is on milspecsm's avatar. Jesse |
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Post by Maarten on Aug 26, 2013 9:37:01 GMT -5
On another subject, I was just wondering what the rotation speed is on milspecsm's avatar. Jesse 500 kts? Maybe? Cheers, Maarten |
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Post by capflyer on Aug 26, 2013 19:12:03 GMT -5
I doubt that it'll fall to the wayside. American has a valid argument that the DoJ's premise for contesting the merger is flawed fundamentally. As much as I'm not a fan of AMR, I'm also not a fan of the current DoJ and it's constant meddling in the marketplace. The DoJ's premise states that Southwest is not a valid competitor to the other airlines simply because it has a different operating model, not because of any factual reasoning. In fact, Southwest is the biggest carrier by passenger miles and by most industry standards is actually the strongest of the major airlines right now. Even the big think tanks say that it can fully control 25% of all domestic fares on its own.
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