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Post by cowboy40 on May 23, 2014 13:30:08 GMT -5
One of my favorite era's in Pan am history were the large flying boats that got international flight going in the 1930's Here is the Honolulu Clipper leaving Honolulu Hawaii on route to Midway Island...  Readying the Clipper to to leave Pan Am's Honolulu Sea Plane base...  Taxi to open sea....    Take off, Turn, and Climb....Midway here we come!!! |
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Post by jacklyon on May 24, 2014 13:00:21 GMT -5
nice pics!
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Post by romeo33delta on May 25, 2014 13:48:19 GMT -5
Boy ... did you get my attention with this one! I drifted into the "clippers" via my first love, flying the Hump, via Greg Crouch's book CHINA'S WINGS (the history of CNAC ... Pan Am's partnership with the KMT government in the 30's). So I managed to get the aircraft I needed ... but discovered that PROPER SCENERY for Trans-Pacific flights just doesn't exist. So I started doing research and paying attention to what M$ has given us in terms of land scenery for SF/Alameda, Oahu/Pearl City, Midway Isl., Wake Isl., Guam., Manila/Cavite and Lowloon/KaiTak. At least there's some sort of seaplane facitliy as Kowloon/KaiTak! When I saw your Honolulu Pan Am sign on your building ... that's all it took to get my blood pressure up. Has any payware outfit ever done a FSX scenery package for the Pacific Clippers? What do you have and might it be made available? Is there ANY FSX scenery that covers this? I did dig up some information of what the Pan Am facilities on Midway, Wake and Guam looked like in terms of layout, but I know NOTHING about scenery creation. I'd really like to see a set of "add-ons" that would overlay the various locations with accurate meshing so that your seaplane ramp isn't a 30 foot drop into the water at 60 degrees (you guys know what I mean)! I don't even believe that 100% accuracy is called for, given the lack of much information on the Pan Am facilities. For instance, Wake Isl., is badly created. Peale Island, on which the Pan Am facilities were located, is NOT in the middle of the lagoon entrance, it's "almost attached" to the other land mass to it's right. It's flat enough though and I wonder if it's position could be moved for more accuracy rather than recreating in completely? Midway too needs the "C" shaped area on the East(?) end restored by removal to pre-war shape. I don't have a problem with the modern runways being there. but wouldn't complain about their removal either. I really don't know enough about Guam and Manila/Cavite yet to make a judgement on them. SF/Alameda is also a  to me. I could go on for hours ... but I'll wrap it up and thanks to all for taking time to read my "Gosple according to Bill". THANKS! |
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Post by romeo33delta on May 25, 2014 16:52:08 GMT -5
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Post by romeo33delta on May 25, 2014 16:53:41 GMT -5
 For some reason I could only put of 3 of the 4 shots ... so here's the last one. Happy Flying! |
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Post by tangodelta on May 26, 2014 13:51:14 GMT -5
The Boeing 314 - my all time favorite! I own the Pilot's B314 add-on, which also includes nice scenery of some of the mentioned locations and a working HF/DF. I find her challenging to fly, as ongoing adjustments during flight keep me busy. Also navigating over water the old way (ded reckoning and celestial navigation) is a workload worth mentioning. But that is what makes her so special and unique to me. She wants to be taken care of.  |
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Post by cowboy40 on May 28, 2014 1:39:16 GMT -5
The Boeing 314 - my all time favorite! I own the Pilot's B314 add-on, which also includes nice scenery of some of the mentioned locations and a working HF/DF. I find her challenging to fly, as ongoing adjustments during flight keep me busy. Also navigating over water the old way (ded reckoning and celestial navigation) is a workload worth mentioning. But that is what makes her so special and unique to me. She wants to be taken care of. This is what I am using, I love the package...... |
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Post by sak1134 on May 28, 2014 10:21:15 GMT -5
I dearly love the old PanAm flying boats and wish we Jens would make a 314, like he did the M130.
Romeo33Delta, if you are interested I adapted Toms start up effects to fit the M130 and would be happy to share.
Steve
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Post by cowboy40 on May 28, 2014 12:27:54 GMT -5
Please do share them with us all...I also love the 130 after all it was the 130 that did pioneer the routes used by the 314...
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Post by romeo33delta on May 28, 2014 12:43:11 GMT -5
sak1134 ... AB-SO-LUTE-LY! Anything you'ld have would be most interesting. I also have Pilot's B314 and have more or less "successfully ported it over to FSX (where I do 90% of my flying). I have played some with FS9 (having found the scenery add-ons for it), but I like the water in FSX better. I have played with using Pilot's scenery as "add-on" scenery in FSX with so-so success. I sure wish those guys were still around so I could "lean on" them to engineer a better port over for FSX of both the B314s and their Pan Am facilities ... and add something for Midway Island too. I just managed to find (at a "reasonable" price) one of the 250 first edition, author-signed and numbered copies of PACIFIC PIONEERS, The Rest of the Story by Jon E. Krupnick! WOW!!! If you are into Pan Am Clippers ... this is THE BOOK! It has it all!
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Post by agent0archer on May 28, 2014 23:58:07 GMT -5
sak1134 ... AB-SO-LUTE-LY! Anything you'ld have would be most interesting. I also have Pilot's B314 and have more or less "successfully ported it over to FSX (where I do 90% of my flying). I have played some with FS9 (having found the scenery add-ons for it), but I like the water in FSX better. I have played with using Pilot's scenery as "add-on" scenery in FSX with so-so success. I sure wish those guys were still around so I could "lean on" them to engineer a better port over for FSX of both the B314s and their Pan Am facilities ... and add something for Midway Island too. I just managed to find (at a "reasonable" price) one of the 250 first edition, author-signed and numbered copies of PACIFIC PIONEERS, The Rest of the Story by Jon E. Krupnick! WOW!!! If you are into Pan Am Clippers ... this is THE BOOK! It has it all! Wow, I've been wondering if the pilots 314 is Port-A-ble. I also prefer to do my flying in FSX, but FS 2004 has a lot of vintage scenery, even a makeshift Pan Am base in Midway and Hawaii. I've been holding of on purchasing the 314, it's really the only great Pan AM plane that eludes me. Is it an intensive process to make it work in FSX. I imagine it's a matter of changing the gauges and manipulating the textures. |
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Post by sak1134 on May 29, 2014 14:32:22 GMT -5
If you would like a copy of the modified start up effects for the M130 send me a PM with your email address and I will send them along. I think I also made some modifications to the cockpit, instruments, and starter torque (That in no way are required to use the startup effect) but I don't recall right off hand. It's been a while.
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Post by romeo33delta on May 30, 2014 13:09:43 GMT -5
agent0archer ... If I were you, I'd buy the Pilots B314 even if it didn't port over! IT'S ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL. What you will lose in the port over is: Prop spinners are black Interior is black (but you can see thru the windows to the other side Engine detail is black (but they're not that big a deal anyway) Beaching dolly is black (again, detail is lacking, solid color) No instruments ... I made a new v2 cockpit and used mostly Douglas DC3 and C74 (yes C74) gauges since it's a 4 engine a/c. It really helps if you have a copy of FS Panel Studio, if you don't already. I'd be more specific, but it's been a while and I also might have tweaked the CFG file and Airfile as well. I fly in both FSX and FS9 ... so I was happy twice! Hope this helps some.
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Post by agent0archer on May 30, 2014 14:19:29 GMT -5
agent0archer ... If I were you, I'd buy the Pilots B314 even if it didn't port over! IT'S ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL. What you will lose in the port over is: Prop spinners are black Interior is black (but you can see thru the windows to the other side Engine detail is black (but they're not that big a deal anyway) Beaching dolly is black (again, detail is lacking, solid color) No instruments ... I made a new v2 cockpit and used mostly Douglas DC3 and C74 (yes C74) gauges since it's a 4 engine a/c. It really helps if you have a copy of FS Panel Studio, if you don't already. I'd be more specific, but it's been a while and I also might have tweaked the CFG file and Airfile as well. I fly in both FSX and FS9 ... so I was happy twice! Hope this helps some. No worries. I plan on buying it, now that I have FS2004. I don't have panel studio, but I have changed panel files for aircraft before, so maybe it can just be switched out. The propspinner can probably be substituted. Thanks. |
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Post by herkpilot on May 30, 2014 14:55:29 GMT -5
Another book of interest (probably mentioned here a few years ago) is "Wings to the Orient" a pictorial history by Stan Cohen (isbn 0-933126-61-1 ) I don't know if its still in print but my copy is the third edition so there should be more than a few copies out there (Amazon has both new and used listed). It's a large format, soft cover with many great period photos of the stations and their construction. The text has the basics but lacks detail in many areas.
During the late seventies, I visited the station sites at Pearl Harbor's Middle Lock (Pearl City) and Wake Island but nothing really remained other than a few old foundations. Midway, Guam and Manila stations are all long gone, victims of WW II and Pacific Typhoons. The Treasure Island Terminal(built for the 1939 Worlds Fair) still exists today in almost original form thanks to long use by the Navy.
Hy
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