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Post by Johan Dees on Jan 4, 2009 18:50:47 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9LffiLOJsUNice video, with some technical ;D problems.. but the message is clear..! those days the watch was important, read the propliner tutorial, look to you gauges, almost everything is about TIME! Johan
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Post by capflyer on Jan 5, 2009 11:09:52 GMT -5
Yes, this is an excellent short film/commercial done by the Lufthansa Heritage flight and Planes of Fame. Steve Hinton was the Aerial Coordinator on the operation. There used to be a "behind the scenes/making of" video as well as a High Res version of the commercial suitable for full-screen viewing available at the IWC website, but I've not been able to find it. Edit: Found it on the Condor Films site - www.condorfilms.com/content/search.php?productid=108&page= |
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Post by Col7777 on Jan 5, 2009 15:46:13 GMT -5
If that's the watch for pilots I best go out and get an egg timer.  |
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Post by Adrian Wainer on Jan 14, 2009 13:37:29 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9LffiLOJsUNice video, with some technical ;D problems.. but the message is clear..! those days the watch was important, read the propliner tutorial, look to you gauges, almost everything is about TIME! Johan Thank you very much Johan, for going to the trouble of posting this video here, much appreciated. I am going to make some criticisms but please do not take them in anyway as a personal criticism, as they are intended to refer to the advertisement, not your good-self. This is a hugely expensive and highly technically and artistically proficient production. However at an intellectual and moral level, I regard it as a thundering disgrace. The Supermarine Spitfire was a not a toy for rich kid boy racers, which is the impression one might get from the video, in fact it was expressly designed by Reginald Mitchell, whilst under both the stress of having to play catch up with the Third Reich because of British Government tardiness in recognizing the Nazi threat and his own personal battle with cancer, as a killing machine par excellence. For many British people, the Spitfire is just as much a symbol of Britain as the US flag is to Americans and on that account it deserves to be treated with a certain degree of respect, there is nothing inherently disrespectful in using the Spitfire as a tool to sell expensive watches. There is something very disrespectful about presenting it in a manner, which might give the impression to the general public, it was nothing more than a toy for boy racers, when it had a very serious purpose of seeing there was no Nazi death camps in Britain. Furthermore the video is hugely disrespectful to air transport pilots from the early days of aviation to the present day, the fact that as a pilot of a DC-3 or a Connie or a DC-8 or a state of the art Boeing 777, it would not be one's stock in trade to be doing barrel rolls, which I doubt the passengers would appreciate anyway, that does not mean that one would be any less skilled or worthy of respect than say a Spitfire pilot. It might be fashionable to laugh at the pilots of highly computerized large civil aircraft today as little more than button-pushers but whilst they do not require many of the skills required by commercial pilots of of the DC-7 and Connie era, they do require sophisticated skills, for the reason whilst automation does relieve the necessity of many traditional pilot skills in normal operations, it brings in to play a new and highly demanding skills base, in that in highly automated systems, when things start to go wrong, it very easy for the human operators to completely lose control of the situation, so that e.g. in the case of the pilots, they effectively have no more authority over the aircraft than the passengers eating smoked salmon and caviar sitting the first class cabin behind them have, i.e. they are passengers along for the ride and computers are running the aircraft and making decisions and very possibly doing the wrong thing in the circumstances. In such a crisis situation the skilled and professional pilot will be one step ahead in predicting what the automated systems are going to do and thereby retaining control of the situation. The real "Right Stuff" Best and Warm Regards Adrian Wainer |
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Post by Adrian Wainer on Jan 14, 2009 14:31:46 GMT -5
If that's the watch for pilots I best go out and get an egg timer. I think a case of subtle British understatement there Col7777, they have inadvertently created an outstanding argument for buying Breitling in preference to their product. Enjoy the following RN advertisement, which I believe was put together in an incredibly short time and probably cost less to make than the catering bill for the IWC effort. tw.youtube.com/watch?v=VjsGJj1zPFw Best and Warm Regards Adrian Wainer |
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Post by Johan Dees on Jan 14, 2009 15:48:31 GMT -5
Well, I suspect the message was of course that nowadays it is all electronics, computers, glass, everything is clean an with no real spirit in the planes.
In the old days, well.. you get my drift.
The watch is been sold as something of the old days, mechanical, strong.. etc.
They probably took a spitfire because the model is so widely known, and the maneuvres they did just resembled the skill of the pilots, and the power of the plane.
But I liked your explanation.. its so true. The right stuff.. thats perhaps why Tom's site is here!
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Post by Adrian Wainer on Jan 14, 2009 19:08:40 GMT -5
Well, I suspect the message was of course that nowadays it is all electronics, computers, glass, everything is clean an with no real spirit in the planes. In the old days, well.. you get my drift. The watch is been sold as something of the old days, mechanical, strong.. etc. Well I know this company and I know they have a reputation as makers of very high quality watches but I did not know of them as makers of aviation watches, now I could be wrong on that but maybe precisely the video got to have the problems that it has, is because unlike Breitling they don't have an aviation tradition. They probably took a spitfire because the model is so widely known, and the maneuvres they did just resembled the skill of the pilots, and the power of the plane. Well the Spitfire does makes sense in of itself, but pretty much everything else about the video is shooting yourself in the foot, like senior commercial pilots earn good money and might be just the sort of people to buy expensive watches and effectively telling them they are skilless button pushing morons is hardly an effective or intelligent way to do that, apart from being factually incorrect. Really, there are ways to spin things that could have used that are not insulting to people, e.g the guy in the hotel instead of making nasty remarks about pilots, could have said when you are buying this watch, this is not only a watch it is tradition and a spirit and one sees the pretty girl walk by and then the video cuts to the two pilots on the flight deck of a state of the art airliner and the weather is not looking very good and they get message over the rt from ATC, that there is an unexpected severe weather warning and then all hell breaks out weather wise, including the aircraft getting struck by lightning and they come through the Worst of it okay but they have lost all navigation instrumentation and they can fly okay but they have no way of finding an airport to land and they see a spitfire with the girl they saw in the hotel come alongside them and she gives a hand signal "follow me" and she guides them to an airport and they land whilst she flies away and when they land, they ask about the spitfire and the girl and nobody knows anything about it and they see a photo of a girl on the wall in the office and it's the same girl in the spitfire and then an old timer comes in and he "says that girl in the photo you are looking at on the wall, she was a ferry pilot and a dam good one she used to ferry aircraft here when it was a wartime base, said she was best navigator around and we thought it would be kind of nice to remember her, when they put the new civil airport up when I was a new kid round here just after the War, we put a photo of her we found in the buildings from the old airbase up in this office and like it has been here ever since." "So she flys a spitfire then asks the pilot", "Well if they do in heaven son, she passed on a couple of years ago". Just in case, anyone thinks I am some sort of genius that is only a short story called the "Shepherd" that I have played around with a bit, to work it for the advert and the real credit goes to Frederick Forsyth www.scribd.com/doc/7203134/The-Shepherd-by-Frederick-ForsythBut I liked your explanation.. its so true. The right stuff.. thats perhaps why Tom's site is here! Yeah for sure. Tom has the right stuff! Best and Warm Regards Adrian Wainer |
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Post by Johan Dees on Jan 15, 2009 9:52:12 GMT -5
Yes sir, but the just showed the viewer what they expected to see.. hence the footage.
If its true or not, right or not, it tries to tell about the right stuff, in this case a watch.
This site is better renamed to Tom's Right Stuff!
Lol!
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Post by Col7777 on Jan 15, 2009 10:56:55 GMT -5
Hey Johan,
I like your avatar, Thomsen from Das Boot, one of my favourite movies, one of the best submarine films ever made.
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Post by Johan Dees on Jan 15, 2009 12:08:42 GMT -5
Correction: the best submarine movie ever made.. lol check also www.subsim.com forums is you have SH3. but thats another topic. |
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Post by Col7777 on Jan 15, 2009 12:40:15 GMT -5
Well Johan,
If you look at the archives for SH2 and Pacific Aces, you will see my name, I was the one who got real weather working in SH2 and I was on the team that produced Pacific Aces.
I still have SH2 3 & 4 but not installed on this PC along with Destroyer Command.
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Post by Johan Dees on Jan 15, 2009 13:59:55 GMT -5
Then you should try SH3 and GWX.
I just hate the planes..
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Post by Adrian Wainer on Jan 15, 2009 17:58:14 GMT -5
Correction: the best submarine movie ever made.. lol check also www.subsim.com forums is you have SH3. but thats another topic. That's Rubbish, "Voyage to the bottom of the sea" is! Best and Warm Regards Adrian Wainer |
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