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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Jan 30, 2020 23:45:26 GMT -5
Hi all, Mike Stevens has discovered that many of the CalClassic aircraft do not have AIR files that allow wing deice, a problem if you fly in bad weather. They include all: CV-240 CV-340 CV-440 DC-6 (not the JBK version) DC-6A DC-6B M202 M404 All of the above Base Packs for both FS2004 and FSX on my site have been updated, so any new downloads will contain the new AIR files. Note that I have not changed the Updated on dates, this is a silent update. If you do not wish to download the planes again, the AIR files themselves have been uploaded in this file: www.calclassic.com/Temp/Air_Files_with_Deice.zipJust copy the proper AIR file from this package and paste into your aircraft's folder, overwriting the original AIR file. Hope this helps, |
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Post by Dan on Jan 31, 2020 0:56:42 GMT -5
Tom, thank you very much!
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Post by stansdds on Jan 31, 2020 9:18:58 GMT -5
Yes, thank you for updating the air files.
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Post by Jorge on Jan 31, 2020 11:07:52 GMT -5
Thanks Tom! Re-installing FS9 after a hiatus of a few months, so it's good to have these!
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Feb 1, 2020 1:13:49 GMT -5
Hi,
I've updated the DC-4 Ops Update package so deice is activated. Those AIR files are also now included in the file above.
I've also added deice to the following JBK aircraft - the updated AIR files are now in the download above.
JBK B307
JBK DC-4
JBK IL-12
The JBK IL-14 and DC-6 appear to be OK as is.
Hope this helps,
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Post by Erik on Feb 1, 2020 18:03:21 GMT -5
Fantastic, many thanks Tom!
Erik
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Post by Dennis the menace on Feb 2, 2020 21:10:58 GMT -5
Hi all, I discovered this problem the other day after attempting to fly a Loftleidir DC-6B from New York to Reykjavik. I was using FXrealWLlite. Over Goose Bay the notepad warned me of ice. I turned on the wing deicing and within minutes the aircraft took a nose dive and fell from the sky. The only cure was to turn off the weather and get the temperature above freezing. That's when I notified Tom and he fixed the issue. Earlier it had happened to me on a DC-6 over Colorado. We checked all the airfiles for the propliners and some were fine, others not.
I have since re flown that flight to Reykjavik and had only one issue: You MUST use the prop deicer ever so often. I had it switched off, with only the wing deicer switch on. The plane suddenly fell out of the sky over Greenland. I reset that flight and turned on the prop deicer and it solved the problem. Landed at Reykjavik just fine. Note: you cannot just leave the prop deicer switch on. It will run out of fluid. The Douglases used both electric and liquid propeller deicing. I have not seen what happens if you let all the fluid run out, so I have no idea what will happen. So just every 10 minutes or so, flick on the switch for a minute or two and then back off. Also, the pilots notepad did not light up "ICE" in red on it when the plane fell. I must only read wing/structural deicing. If you ignore that switch then you also may fall from the sky.
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Feb 2, 2020 22:13:08 GMT -5
Yes the ice message only detects structural icing.
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Post by mrcapitalism on Feb 2, 2020 22:19:03 GMT -5
Are B-377 varieties okay? Thank you for the continued support.
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Feb 3, 2020 1:19:58 GMT -5
Hi,
Yes, they appeared to be OK.
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Feb 21, 2020 2:03:16 GMT -5
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Post by Erik on Feb 21, 2020 15:12:47 GMT -5
Just read that, perfect as always. Many thanks Tom & Mike!
Erik
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Post by qxtoolman on Feb 21, 2020 22:37:53 GMT -5
Funny thing about this thread. Every day, We are patching De-Ice boots, what a pain. Did You know there is a testing tool called 'Airborne Test Kit". It simulates plane being in the air, filling & releasing nitrogen in the boots. Then they take soapy leak tester and look for leaks. When they find one they determine how bad it is, and decide whether to replace the Leading Edge section or put a patch on it. The patch process is just like patching a bike or car inner tube. Just thought I shine some light on something that Airlines have doing for a very long time, and still do today. It is kind of like "Blade Bats", another tool that has been around a very long time. Take Care, Stefan
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Feb 21, 2020 22:56:34 GMT -5
I’ve always wondered why some manufacturers use the boots, and others use heated leading edges. Lockheed stuck with the boots through all the Connies, but Douglas went with heated leading edges after the war on the DC-6.
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Post by chris_c on Feb 22, 2020 16:25:53 GMT -5
Thank you for posting the amended air files and including details of carrying out the fix. Would not be greatly surprized if the issue is not more prevalent and I intend to audet all of the air files in my three FS9 installations at some point.
-Chris
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