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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Feb 16, 2020 12:41:33 GMT -5
Hi all, Mike Stevens has also discovered that the turboprop planes hosted here at CalClassic also do not have working structural deice. This has been fixed in the Base Packs of the following planes: Convair 580 Fairchild F-27A and FH-227 Lockheed L-188 Electra If you do not want to download the planes again, here is a file with the AIR files in it - just copy the AIR file from this package and paste into the plane's folder, overwriting the original AIR file. www.calclassic.com/Temp/Turbine_Air_Files%20_with_Deice.zipIn addition to the CalClassic planes, I have fixed and included in the file above: JBK Bristol Britannia (same AIR file for 100 and 300 series) IL-18 by Edgar Guinart Comet 4 by David Maltby Comet 4C by David Maltby We also checked the HJG B707-120, B707-32B Early, and the DC-8-30, and all did not have deice. I cannot include those files due to restrictions, so those would need to be fixed by the user (you folks) or by HJG - I did notify them. If anyone wants the details of the AIR file editing process, it's not hard at all and I can give you (pretty much) step by step instructions. You can also use this to check your other aircraft to make sure they can deice (apparently it's pretty common not to have deice activated). One other thing - I can't find a deice switch on the DC-8-30 panel that will remove structural ice weight. The solution there is to go to Options/Controls/Assignments, find the Structural Deice On/Off choice, and Assign a key to it. I used Ctrl-I which is unassigned and is somewhat logical. This can now be used for any plane that has deice capability. Hope this helps, |
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Post by aerofoto on Feb 16, 2020 17:56:19 GMT -5
"COPIED THAT" .... and thanks for the HU Tom  Check your email Other than a standard PITOT HEAT switch there may not be one as such. It's possible though that the PItot Heat activation might extend to other icing protections too .... "I just don't know" .... since Marco's development/programming of the original version of that particular panels (it was just DC-8-10, -50, -60, and -70 panels back then) is outside even my own association with HJG. I do recall Marco saying (around 2001) that he'd originally proposed to offer an F/E sub panel of "limited function" (and where I assume the like of airframe icing protections would probably be activated from) .... BUT .... these were "very early days" in the era of the more complex panels that've progressively become more'n'more the norm now and with the evolution of both time/FS and end user preferences/adaption (the like of working F/E panels was almost unheard of back then), so, he abandoned the concept. In the meantime HJG's George CARTY since has added more features to these panels .... and which has ultimately extended the line .... and in doing so improved them greatly too .... albeit that he's only been able to do so within the dictates of the source code that's been availble to him in order to "easily" accomplish what he has  Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Feb 16, 2020 20:02:38 GMT -5
Hi Mark,
Got and replied to your message, thanks. I tried all the deice switches I could find on the DC-8 (engine, scoop, pitot, windshield) and none would remove the structural ice, even after the AIR file was edited. Thus the suggestion to use the keyboard. You are right, it's on the FE panel (looking at the online Just Flight DC-8 manual).
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Post by Dennis the menace on Feb 17, 2020 1:51:48 GMT -5
I have the Comet 4B air file that has been fixed. If anyone needs/wants it, just hang on and I'll send it to Tom tomorrow and he can then add it. The 4B flies to Moscow and other icy places.
Mike
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Post by aerofoto on Feb 17, 2020 2:41:05 GMT -5
Thanks for you HU on this too Mike .... in addition to Tom's. I'd be "interested" I that AIR.FILE edit for the COMET 4B Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Feb 17, 2020 23:32:31 GMT -5
Hi,
The file linked above now contains the updated Comet 4B AIR file.
Hope this helps,
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Feb 21, 2020 2:02:33 GMT -5
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Post by johnhinson on Sept 30, 2020 2:48:15 GMT -5
Can I ask if others have found the need and/or successfully modified the various Constellations available? What I am experiencing is reduction of power at about an hour into the flight in cold atmosphere. I have found that if I install a Carburettor De-Ice switch into the panel, it deals with this but there is obviously a small loss of power while the switch is in use. In FS2004 I did not find this necessary, only aircraft fitted with such switches needed this when passing through cloud at low temperatures. I am now in FSX. I have tried following the instructions at calclassic.proboards.com/thread/9850/edit-air-file-activate-deice but for some reason they do not work for me. I do not understand why. My default Cessna 208 file cessna208B.air does not contain sections 1513 and 1519 for some unknown reason. But I tried copying section 1513 from one of the CC replacement files but it appears only in hex code and not as illustrated. Aired will let me copy this but will not allow me to paste it into another air file, saying it is in the wrong format. Has anybody else had any success? Any suggestions? John |
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Sept 30, 2020 11:21:43 GMT -5
What do you mean it appears only in hex code?
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Post by johnhinson on Sept 30, 2020 13:36:05 GMT -5
What do you mean it appears only in hex code? This:  John |
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Sept 30, 2020 14:39:46 GMT -5
Hi,
You do not open the section first before copying it. You just right click on the number 1513 and then choose Copy.
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Post by johnhinson on Oct 1, 2020 4:05:07 GMT -5
I didn't. I was just showing that because it may be the reason I can't copy and paste, getting the message "The data in the clipboard is in the wrong format".
It is probably just another quirk of FSX Steam Edition which a lot of utilities don't seem to work properly with. That's why I was asking if others had come across the problem.
John
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Post by Defender on Oct 1, 2020 5:07:18 GMT -5
John,
Try the other editor on the aero.sors site, AAM V2.2. Should work for all three FS versions. Doesn't open in hex unless you chose that option.
Bill
PS - What is it that doesn't work for you in the Connies? The power loss is built in to the FDE but only when the carb heat switches in use. I see they use the same 1513,1518 and 1519 settings as the C208B but quite different from the DC6/7 models.
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Post by johnhinson on Oct 1, 2020 6:50:25 GMT -5
Hi Bill,
What I am experiencing is at cruise altitude (typically I fly at about 17,000) if the OAT is below zero. About an hour into the flight power drops off steadily and significantly until it is hard to maintain a spped to keep the nose down. Wing de-ice and Prop de-ice are on.
You say "The power loss is built in to the FDE but only when the carb heat switches in use" but I have never found any carb heat switches in the panel. I did add my own (or rather Tom's green levers from the DC-6) and they seem to solve the above problem but they have to remain on permanently which gives the expected slight loss of power.
It is like wing de-ice and prop de-ice are mixed up. I'm not even certain that Tom's fix is for that particular problem.
I will try AAM, thanks for the tip there.
John
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Post by Defender on Oct 1, 2020 10:58:07 GMT -5
John,
In the Connies the carb heat is by a set of switches on the lower FE panel, shift+8 or the prop icon. You select hot and that power drop lasts until you select cold again. I think somewhere in the manuals it warns against using hot for long and that heat is effective quite quickly. The drop shouldn't happen with the pneumatic boots or prop de-ice.
I would test it out again because you may not need Tom's changes. I'm sure Luis Pallas got it right.
Bill
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