Approach Procedures For Berlin Airports, Please

[aharon]

Shalom and greetings all my pals,

Do any of you know about approach procedures or have the approach charts for two Berlin airports EDDI Berlin Tempelhof airport and EDDT Berlin Tegel airport during eras 1960s and 1970s using historic jets such as 707s, 727s, BAC 1-11s, Tridents, and Carvelles, please??  I am sure that due to the communist occupation of East Germany, there would be very strict procedures for those 2 airports mentioned above.

This is NOT to be confused with approach procedures and charts for the same airports during Berlin airlift which I already have and know.

Thank you for any assistance or information in this matter.   Would like to re-create BAC 1-11 flight from EGHH Heathrow to EDDI Tempelhof.

Regards,

Aharon

[Tom/CalClassic]

Hi,

707’s and Caravelle III’s never used Templehof in regular airline service, they used Tegel instead. Pan Am 727’s were the first jets in 1966, followed by BEA BAC 111 500’s in 1968, following a short time using Comet 4B’s earlier that year. The only charts I have are for 1965, and thus no jet procedures listed.

[aharon]

Tom,

Thanks for answer Oh darn out of myy luck I need approach charts for historic jets to the two mentioned airports as I am sure it would require special and unusual procedures for approach to two airports' runways.

Regards,

Aharon

[Herman]

Just wondering Tom.....would the Propliner charts not be fairly similar to what the Jets would have used.??

Herman

[Tom/CalClassic]

I honestly have no idea, since I have never seen such charts. I sort of doubt it, since the approaches in my charts use procedure turns, and I don’t know if that was common for jets.

[johnhinson]

As I understand it, there was a narrow corridor along which western aircraft had to fly to access those airports without trespassing. I don't know the detail of it, but I bet the information is out there somewhere. Maybe a scouring of websites covering the Berlin airlift might tell.

John

[emmemm]

Hi,
I have the old US DOD maps for the Berlin corridors and the Berlin Aerea. An old Tempelhof controller once gave it to me.
However, the cards are on a 61 x 53 cm sheet, so I can't scan and post them.
After Easter, I could try to have the card scanned in a copy shop and have it saved as a PDF.

Can I then post the PDF here?

MM

[Tom/CalClassic]

You can, but my Jeppesen has those in a much smaller format. But that won’t provide the jet approaches.

[emmemm]

I found a link on the internet which contains exactly the Berlin maps that I also have and which I talked about in my previous post.
Here is that link:

forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/forums/topic/201252-pre-unification-berlin-control-zone-charts/

I also found this link below, which shows the Tempelhof approach from 1950, still with 4-course radio beacons.

www.reddit.com/r/flying/comments/4j769k/i_found_these_very_old_approach_plates_into/?rdt=45497

MM

[aharon]

Thanks all for kind answers

Special thanks to Emmemm for finding the old approach charts to the two airports. Yikes looks like TIGHT RIGHT TURNS to runways of either of two airports!!

Regards,

Aharon

[Tom/CalClassic]

I think the East Germans allowed wider turns later for the jets? Not sure, though.

[aharon]

Mar 30, 2024 14:15:35 GMT -5 Tom/CalClassic said:

I think the East Germans allowed wider turns later for the jets? Not sure, though.

I dunno   They fired from anti aircraft guns at 727 during the turn that strayed into East German air space knocking out one of three engines but the plane managed to land

Regards,

Aharon