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Post by Wolfgang on Jun 24, 2009 13:57:46 GMT -5
Hi, ...seems to be. Wolfgang
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simkarus
DC-6B
PAN AM, my Airline
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Post by simkarus on Jun 24, 2009 14:29:55 GMT -5
Hi Mike, no need to rush. I am trying to get some more information from a friend at Lufthansa Technik Hamburg. May be he can make a contact. Cheers Hans
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Post by wildbillkelso on Jun 24, 2009 15:43:09 GMT -5
Looks great, Frank! Think I'm gonna quit this project... I'm glad you're on it - the curved noselines drove me crazy... Cheers, Markus.
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Jun 24, 2009 16:21:29 GMT -5
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Post by Wolfgang on Jun 24, 2009 16:36:40 GMT -5
Hi,
and we have differences in color, from a factory fresh paint and an "some years in use" paint. Pigments are not UV resistant and in flights above 10,000 feet the UV ray is much higher. And also the pigments used back then, did not have the resistance of today's pigments.
Best Regards Wolfgang
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Post by circleman on Jun 24, 2009 17:41:37 GMT -5
sure looks like it. anybody know how to convert RAL to RGB?
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Jun 24, 2009 18:18:09 GMT -5
Hi,
Sure. I looked at the HTML for that Wiki web page, and it shows that:
RAL 5013 = HTML color #232D53 RAL 1028 = HTML color #FFAB00
Then I went into Paint Shop Pro and found that:
RAL 5013 = HTML color #232D53 = RGB 35/45/83 RAL 1028 = HTML color #FFAB00 = RGB 255/175/0
Of course, I don't know how accurate those color swatches are...
Hope this helps,
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Jun 24, 2009 18:24:22 GMT -5
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Jun 24, 2009 18:35:00 GMT -5
From the pics I listed above, it appears the yellow faded with time too...
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Post by dave mcqueen on Jun 25, 2009 0:48:08 GMT -5
Yellow in particular fades quickly. I recall the Transocean Stratocruisers at Oakland when they were newly painted had a bright shiny yellow texture but a year or so later when TAL had parked them permanently I walked over to a few of them on the ramp trying to match the yellow color for a kit I was painting. The yellow had faded due to UV and weathering to a flat yellow and different airplanes had different shades of yellow. So I just averaged them all together and picked a color....
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Post by johnhinson on Jun 25, 2009 3:18:32 GMT -5
It is hard to believe RAL 5022 should be the actual Lufthansa blue color. But we are getting clother to the truth I don't think the four-digit RAL shades were "invented" until 1984! And, as there are less than 200 of them (and just 24 shades of blue), it isn't a good matching system for earlier colours. And it isn't at all reliable to use photographs to match to, as initial exposure, film age and quality plus (horrors!) digital enhancement and monitor settings play a major part in deception on that front. For myself, I'm happy with anything that a FS aircraft painter gives me (because I know I can't do work anything near as good) but if absolute accuracy is sought, I suspect Lufthansa themselves will have some sort of record in their own archives. Or perhaps a preserved example could yield a match, assuming they have researched properly! I myself work with restoration of vintage vehicles (not aircraft) and until ten or so years ago it was possible to order many vintage paint shades off the shelf but sadly most of the suppliers have discontinued this now and the best you can hope for is an "eye" match to a sample. So-called electronic matching is a waste of time, in my experience, producing very mixed results. John Edit - shouldn't really have said "off-the-shelf" - what I meant was you could have it mixed while you waited.
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Post by Wolfgang on Jun 25, 2009 6:46:17 GMT -5
Hi, same for me John Wolfgang
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Post by connie1049 on Jun 25, 2009 12:13:55 GMT -5
Hi,
Color, I really feel its one of the hardest things for anyone who paints. Since everyone has different monitors, resolutions, color settings and possibly one of the many env.map that has been made over the years, this has to come into play. I myself work with 3 monitors and it amazes me how the color varies between them. A good one is the Seaboard which was done for Bill (defender). All the photos which you find on the net , the ai version and in books would have you think that the color is a bright orange. Not ever seeing the real thing, I just matched what I saw. As it turns out, with Bills help, the tone was actually more into the red as to his recollection. I worked on it for about a week and we finally came to a compromise that was enjoyable to both of our eyes. I agree that the elements takes its toll on colors. When I was restoring my 1955 Buick, I wanted the original red, and no matter how much they tried , even using todays methods of color matching, it was never an exact copy. I did this Lufthansa repaint in two versons, the other in the more darker blue for myself. At one point I thought that the photo (only color one that I have found) I used was maybe a delivery scheme, just like the L-1649A had a different scheme when it was delivered to Lufthansa, thus offering the lighter blue version. Once the real tone of blue is discovered, I will more than be happy to change it.
Thanks Markus, I know what you mean in painting the nose area of the snub nose Connie. For me, I just work on one side and then mirror what I have done to the other side and adjust if needed.
Frank
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Post by wildbillkelso on Jun 25, 2009 12:28:38 GMT -5
For me, I just work on one side and then mirror what I have done to the other side and adjust if needed. Same for me. But this was the first time I had do deal with vector layers - still haven't found the clue (using PSP X)... Funny about the colours: The coloured pic of the Lufthansa Connie (obviously heavily retouched) was the only of the "early" livery I was able to obtain when scanning the web for templates. There are lots of nice b/w pics on the Lufthansa archives sites, but just this one in colour... Cheers, Markus.
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Post by connie1049 on Jul 1, 2009 2:54:59 GMT -5
Former Flying Tigers / Trans International aircraft. China Airlines only had one L-1049H in their fleet for Taiwan - Taipei - Saigon service.
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