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Post by FSV1142 Kenny on Jun 5, 2012 1:36:00 GMT -5
Hi Guys! I am going to back date Hamilton Air Force Base to the early 1940's, more like pre 1941. My question is which of the two photos would be closer to 1940 to 1941, or which of these two photos would have been closer to what the B-17 pilot that flow out of Hamilton on December 6, 1941? This photo of Hamilton was taken in 1937 and is a dirt runway. This next photo is a 1945 aerial view looking west at Hamilton depicts the exponential growth which the base experienced during WWII.
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Post by rmarsh1 on Jun 5, 2012 19:29:25 GMT -5
Fascinating...back in 1966 or 1967 I landed at Hamilton AFB as the instructor on a T-38 cross country weekend training mission out of Williams AFB, AZ. It was a beautiful base and our RON was memorable since we went down to San Francisco to "look around"! Just a bit of nostalgia...unfortunately I took no pictures and it was 20 years later than you are interested in anyway. Oh well...
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Post by billbrocker on Jun 6, 2012 4:33:56 GMT -5
The Wikipedia article has a photo of a P-39 at Hamilton in 1942 I think. It focuses mainly on the P-39 but you might glean a few hints from it.
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Post by Randy_Cain on Jun 6, 2012 4:45:46 GMT -5
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Post by shovelhead on Jun 6, 2012 10:16:49 GMT -5
What is this handle for? peter
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Post by sak1134 on Jun 6, 2012 13:22:07 GMT -5
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Post by billbrocker on Jun 6, 2012 17:35:48 GMT -5
Will this be FS9 or FSX (or both)? It would be great to fly the A2A B-17 & P-40 out of it (FSX only).
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Post by FSV1142 Kenny on Jun 6, 2012 22:50:48 GMT -5
Thanks for all of the help. I plan to create Hamilton for FS9 and FSX. The reason for back dating Hamilton AFB, is for the December 6th B-17 flight to Honolulu, that we do on FSV every year. Would any one know how long the two runways are here in this 1939 photos?
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Post by FSV1142 Kenny on Jun 7, 2012 4:55:49 GMT -5
Hi again ;D I've started to work on Hamilton AFB and I have a question. Here is the first of the nine big hangars. It's hard to tell just how big the hangars are, so here is three screen shots of my hangar. My Question, does the scale look about right to the B-17?
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Post by sak1134 on Jun 7, 2012 9:17:57 GMT -5
Kenny, based on this picture hamiltonafbhistory.multiply.com/photos/album/31/Early_Air_Operations_at_Hamilton#photo=2I would say you are pretty close, although I can't tell if the plane parked in front of the center hanger front row is a B-17 or B18. It looks like your hanger width (door opening) would be about right, but the length may need to increase just a bit. That's my guesstimate though. Good luck on the project and keep up the good work. I will nose around a bit and see if I can find anything on the runway length for you. Steve Update doing an unscientific calculation based on the photo you posted and the runway sketch shown on this link www.militarymuseum.org/HamiltonAFB.htmlI calculate both runways at about 4500 feet.
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Post by Jorge on Jun 7, 2012 10:23:31 GMT -5
Kenny, Here's some of the raw info I had from a while back trying to put together some 700 and 800 series Quartermaster Buildings. They're screen-cap's from the PDF files, so if you want I can make more detailed copies in PNG instead of BMP format if you think they can help. Text files with measurements: Page#1 Page#2 Overhead from 1987 with scale at the bottom left for measurement: 3-View drawing from the same book I got the previous text from for more traditional hangars without he arch, but of the same period. The size could be scaled by the Engineers for the type of aircraft to be generally housed, but the styles were the same. The plans are for Hangar, Army Air Corps, 1930-B. It looks like the Hamilton ones were "1930-A" style with the semi-arched roofs. On the overhead plan-view, the door measurement on top where it says "CONCRETE RAMP" is 110'-0" for the door. The center-line for the door is marked as well. If you need more research I'd be more than happy to send more when I get the chance. I also have a finished version of this type of hangar in SU that I could send you if you want to use that as a basis, though it defintately needs your "skill" to touch up! ;D Hope this helps! Jorge
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Post by FSV1142 Kenny on Jun 7, 2012 13:03:20 GMT -5
Wow, thanks for all of the help! ;D
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Post by Randy_Cain on Jun 7, 2012 14:50:04 GMT -5
In Google Earth, someone's already made 3D models of them. They measure 127 by 240 feet (outside measurements, not the inside ...and do not include the 4 corner support posts. Those corner posts measure about 12 feet wide, by 13 feet long). ...not including the attached shop area of each hangar that's no longer there. Search Hamilton AAF in Google Earth. It's already tagged. maps.google.com/maps?q=hamilton+AAF&oe=&ie=UTF-8&ei=nAXRT6D0EMPu2gW6y_29Dw&oi=mode_link&cd=3&ved=0CEoQ_AUoAgThe hanger with the control tower is still there, intact. I guess the original hangars from the base are all in the historical registry now and preserved. Yours,
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Post by FSV1142 Kenny on Jun 7, 2012 16:35:59 GMT -5
Thanks Randy.
I was close
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Post by FSV1142 Kenny on Jun 8, 2012 5:12:49 GMT -5
Hi Guys! I've started mapping textures for my hangar and have ran in a rather interesting problem with the windows I saved the window texture as dxt3 with an alpha channel to give a semi transparency to the windows. The problem, is you can see the aircraft through the widows, but looking from the outside through the windows the hangar is transparent. Does this have to do with the texture, or the model?
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