What Type Of Constellation Plane Is That?

[aharon]

Shalom and greetings all my pals,

Can any of you please tell me what type of Constellation plane is that in this enclosed video as seen below? And do we have repaint for that? I notice Israeli flag on the tail that i like



Thanks,

Aharon

[Tom/CalClassic]

That's an El Al L-149, an L-049 with added fuel tanks.

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Make sure you READ the download instructions.

[aharon]

Thanks, Tom

Just found out that I already have that. I thought I missed downloading that livery in this video.

I could not tell which Constellation in that video. LOL How can people tell?? I have only 4 ways to tell: bulky which is 749 or long which is 1049, and of course shorter and longer nose in 1049s.

How can you tell it is L-149? Longer bulky body???

Regards,

Aharon

[Tom/CalClassic]

Hi,

There were two body lengths:
Short: L-049, L-149, L-649, L-749
Long: L-1049, L-1049C, L-1049D, L-1049E, L-1049G, L-1049H, L-1649A (L-1049A, L-1049B and L-1049F were military variants)

You can usually distinguish between them - the Super Connies have a "flat spot" along the top of the fuselage (where the fuselage plugs were added), while the short body Connies do not - they have a smooth continuous curve along the top.

The long radar nose does not signify a specific model; all Connies could be retrofitted with radar.

It was difficult to determine the body length from the video (seemed somewhat distorted), but three things told me it was an L-149.
1. The nacelles have multiple exhausts exiting each nacelle (not just 3 like Turbo Compound Super Connies)
2. Short body Connies have round windows; Super Connies have square ones.
3. El Al didn't own any Super Connies.

Distinguishing between the Connies within each body length group is much harder; I normally check the registration with my Propliner Production book.

Hope this helps,

[aharon]

Tom,

Thanks for answers. You are right that distinguishing between the Connies with each body length group is much harder!!!! Hence me posting question here for that EL AL plane.

Regards,

Aharon

[volkerboehme]

Hi,

I see two problems of identifying the type.

First of all, the clip is distorted by squashing it from the original 3:4 aspect ratio to 16:9, which makes everything wider and makes the short Connie look like a long Super Connie.

Second, I can't read the registration. Would be easy to work backwards from that point.

However, I think it's a standard L-049 (=L-49), not a L-149, because I cannot see any fuel dump ports at the wings trailing edge between the fowler flaps and the aileron. I think the aileron is in view because a trim flap can be ssen briefly as the wing passes over the camera. The boxy fuel dump port extending beyond the wing's trailing edge should be vuisible if it were present.

According to Marson, El Al owned 6 L-49 Constellations (msn 1965, 1967, 1968, 1980, 20161, 2036), of which 1965, 1967 and 1968 were converted to L-149 standard by installing L-749A type fuel tanks in the outer wing panels. 2036 was apparently deliverd to Israel, but never taken up by El Al. Otherwise, L-49 and L-149 would be identical.

Regardless of the fuel tank installtion, the round windows indicate a 'short' Connie (Navy L-1049 transports and Warning Stars had round windows, too, though). The engine nacelle shows it's a 049 installation with 2 small cowl flaps above each other and 2 small exhaust stacks behind each other on each side of the nacelle. The shape of the air inlet above and the oil cooler air inlet below the nacelle is different from the later versions as well. The stiffening rods above the forward fuselage indicate that the aicraft had been upgraded to operate with higher weights than the original production model (L-49D/E or L-149).

Hope this helps,
Volker

[aharon]

Oct 29, 2014 16:08:35 GMT -5 volkerboehme said:

First of all, the clip is distorted by squashing it from the original 3:4 aspect ratio to 16:9, which makes everything wider and makes the short Connie look like a long Super Connie.

THAT EXPLAINED why I was baffled and stumped when trying to identify that plane because I have that SAME ELAL plane in FSX that is WAY shorter than the plane in the video hence me asking around here on the forums!!! From this video, I thought EL AL had Super Constellations!!

Thanks for more explanations.

Oct 29, 2014 16:08:35 GMT -5 volkerboehme said:

, I think it's a standard L-049, not a L-149,

Is there any physical difference between L-049 and L-149 in Jahn planes for FSX and FS2004??? If so, where can I find L-049 for EL AL? I have L-149 for EL AL but not L-049 unless you tell me there is no physical difference in Jahn planes.

Thanks,

Aharon

[Tom/CalClassic]

AFAIK there is only one external difference (as Volker says above) and that is the 149's fuel dump valves at the trailing edge of the wing.

You can see it on this Super Connie (all of which had them AFIAK). It is the rectangular chute just outboard of the flaps.

www.flickr.com/photos/maikhaly/6367286239/

[aharon]

Thanks, Tom

I guess I will have to look for EL AL livery for L049.

Regards,

Aharon

[volkerboehme]

Oct 30, 2014 11:20:51 GMT -5 Tom/CalClassic said:

AFAIK there is only one external difference (as Volker says above) and that is the 149's fuel dump valves at the trailing edge of the wing.

You can see it on this Super Connie (all of which had them AFIAK). It is the rectangular chute just outboard of the flaps.

www.flickr.com/photos/maikhaly/6367286239/

Hi Tom.

Yep, all 1049 had them, since they all had outboard wing tanks. They are also the clue to distunguish between a 649 and a 749, if visible.

Best regards,
Volker

[Defender]

Your L-149 texture set will work perfectly well with Manfred's L-049 version if you think it's important to have exactly the version that's in the video. Try it!

Remember you'll need to edit the L049 aircraft.cfg. Should look like,

[fltsim.xx]     //use the next number on your installation
title=L-049 EL AL
sim=049
model=a
panel=
sound=
texture=ELY_57
kb_checklists=L-49_chk
kb_reference=
ui_manufacturer=Lockheed
ui_type=L-049 Constellation
ui_variation=EL AL 1957
atc_heavy=0
atc_id=4XAKB
atc_id_enable=1
atc_airline=EL AL
atc_flight_number=951
description=CN/1967 delivered as a C-69 for the USAAF as serial #43-10315 in February of 1945. In service with EL AL from 1951 to 1961 and sold in 1962.
prop_anim_ratio=0.99
atc_id_color=0x00000000
atc_id_font=Verdana,-11,1,600,0


Bill

[aharon]

Thanks, Defender (Bill)

I did not know that liveries are inter-exchangeable between L-049 and L-149.

Regards,

Aharon

[volkerboehme]

Hi,

all the short Connie liveries are interchangeable, and the same applies to the Super Connies.

Best regards,
Volker

[aharon]

Thanks, Volker!!