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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 5:44:23 GMT -5
First it is all very tight about what and when re the system but if you have a look at the following link on YouTube you will see MS have officially announced the imminent arrival of, yes, thats right -FLIGHT SIMULATOR, not FS11 or whatever but just FLIGHT SIMULATOR and they are downplaying the Microsoft association but uping the XBox ante: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReDDgFfWlS4&feature=youtu.be A very visually impressive promo - initial target is quite unashamedly gamers and release as a license on an X-Box system. 2020 is given as the release date and as far as the various blurbs go at the moment will be for XBox and PC (Windows 10). If the scenery and sky simulation is consistently as good as the few selected shots show, all over the world then it will be a winner with gamers and simmers both no doubt. However for simmers will come the perennial issues, can I add in my addons? especially all my beloved aircraft and those out of the way scenery places Microsoft always forgets, will weather be real time? And can I use the flat screen as does XBox with the PC or not? Yes the selected scenery looks impressive but is it consistent world wide? or like all previous sims by MS great in some places, horrible in others? Given the high level of internet connectivity of XBox I cannot see why not but it is a wait and see. My gut feeling is yes, yes and yes but knowing MS they will want to control the whole process and go the license route and control the vendors for all add on bits a route which is not that desirable at all and if I remember correctly a certain now defunct owner of the last FSX sim program tried to do and failed. The whole new PC architecture and focus on game or visual performance and associated hardware is the most interesting aspect. Under the hood it will be my guess familiar architecture for aircraft etc but the 64 million dollar question will be - Can you get at it? OR can developers get a bite without handing over a percentage to MS to do so? Wait and see, certainly would not be launching into P3D or XPlane just yet. 2020 certainly looks like being an interesting year. At the moment MS is market testing is my view and judging by responses and posts on the net it is a winner all over. |
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Post by jacklyon on Jun 10, 2019 5:50:25 GMT -5
From a freeware vintage scenery perspective, i think you can go on X-Plane or P3D, because, vintage scenerys for this new platform, will not be available soon.
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Post by beeker46 on Jun 10, 2019 9:05:14 GMT -5
quite stunning in every detail (Thank God I just got a beefy pc to handle something like it), however, it all looks entirely VC to me, not a single glance at any 2D cockpit, and that is a thrill-killer for me, I absolutely hate the VC, and I am not into all the bells and whistles of an IR tracking stuff. Give me a 2D panel to tweak and I will be happy, otherwise I stay with FSX (still pining for my old trusty FS9 that is sitting cold in a dead pc across the room)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 6:23:48 GMT -5
"CAVEAT EMPTOR I should have said. Well I am a hard bitten cynic when it comes to Microsoft and had a good think about this one. I agree with a well known and reputable addon maker who had this to say about the technical issues and presentation vids.
"ummm... that shot of the tubeliner landing. Are we really going to have "on the fly" control over focal length and depth of field? Seriously? And in some of the shots, those clouds don't look 3D, more like a spherical photo projection...interesting
Given Microsoft's past form my conclusion is that this is a X-Box sales gimmick in the same way that Flight Simulator originally was for PC's, helped sell a lot of PC's, but developed a life of its own. MS really need something to shift the market for games in their direction thats all, they figure this will help.
The trouble is the early Flight Sim developers were actually interested in creating a flight simulator (and solved a whole bunch of other computing problems on the way which MS wanted not the sim) so I am convinced this is for the gamers and will be a license buy to add into X-Box. IF your using X-Box then you have a whole bunch of computer coding issues not to mention the blue-ray portal as well to even get there and MS is not going to drop this into any collaborative specialised community (also known as the flight simulator community) no matter what, they will control this from go to whoa. The lesson they (MS) learnt from the earlier attempt, Flight, was a stand alone will not fly sales ( in large corp speak - insufficient volume) wise due to lack of take up and overhead and quite simply they needed the huge amount of work done by the sim community to make it palatable and in the end wanted to give nothing back for getting it. You might get it with Windows 10 but you won't be able to do much but play with it, a fancy version of solitaire in my opinion. I am may be wrong but nothing I have learned about MS over the years has changed that view, they always go to market early, rely on the corporate license base to make money and then spend the next 5 years fixing the crap and then start all over again when the next generation of processor hits the market. Why because sitting in the wings is the big Alphabet and they already have a sim that uses Google Earth so how you going to compete against that if they get serious. Nah just Corporate fairy floss!!
I will stick with what I have, it works and is my Cal Classic period special now! After all it has taken a decade to get it to this stage and thanks to the devoted, capable and technically savvy sim community particularly here at Cal Classic that has done this.
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Post by zswobbie1 on Jun 11, 2019 6:28:49 GMT -5
Ok, so, after a bit of sleuthing, & registering on Xbox insider, the new sim will probably be available from Xbox Games Pass! (https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2019/06/09/xbox-e3-2019-briefing-recap/) Microsoft Flight Simulator (Xbox One And Windows 10 PC) The next generation of our longest-running franchise, Microsoft Flight Simulator is coming to Windows 10 with Xbox Game Pass in 2020, and coming to Xbox One at a later date. Microsoft Flight Simulator is specifically designed to celebrate flight simulation fans through a focus on the authenticity of flying and visually stunning environments. By revamping our tech, working in close collaboration with the community and pursuing the best partnerships across the industry, we intend to deliver the best-in-class flight simulation experience. www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-game-pass/pc-gameswith a monthly fee, apart from any cost of game. |
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Post by abbotsford on Jun 11, 2019 12:59:39 GMT -5
My analogy. It is like moving from downtown to the suburbs, once out you cannot get back unless you are incredibly wealthy. They have dropped the baton and allowed P3D and XP to pick it up and run with it. The involvement of X Box would suggest to me that it will be game slanted rather than simulation. I hope I am wrong.
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Post by agent0archer on Jun 11, 2019 14:22:45 GMT -5
Yeah, no thanks. They should have released a vintage flying game.
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Post by jymp on Jun 21, 2019 19:07:49 GMT -5
Read on their website yesterday a new posting of news, they will be supporting 3rd party devs, commercial and private, very good news, however they didn't say anything about subscriptions, could go either way on that looks like.
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Post by warbaby on Jun 28, 2019 11:56:09 GMT -5
Yes I've seen this and I'm very impressed. However if I wanted this thing bad enough, I would have to update my entire computer let alone starting from scratch my virtual world. Money and time to be considered.
Allen
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Post by abbotsford on Jun 28, 2019 14:10:05 GMT -5
Yes I've seen this and I'm very impressed. However if I wanted this thing bad enough, I would have to update my entire computer let alone starting from scratch my virtual world. Money and time to be considered. Allen There is plenty of time to budget for upgrades I am guessing. MS always released previous FSims towards the end of year. IIRC FS9 was augustish and FSX Septemberish. So 18 months would be a conservative guess IMO and then there are the bugs to iron out. Unless they are further along than I suspect of course. I am not convinced by the previews thus far, I recall those for FSX which promised wonderful graphics and yet when the pre-release demo emerged during August of 2006 there were some horrible graphic anomalies. Forgive me for being the cynic.  |
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Post by Erik on Jun 28, 2019 18:15:19 GMT -5
Forgiven.  Me too, I'm just waiting and seeing. E3, Xbox, those are not things pointing particularly to flight simulation (although this new game could just be a great sim as well of course). Aditionally, the amount of 'live' environment seems to make it difficult to use this as a classic sim platform. I saw a review that I can't just find anymore, pointing to some interesting detail like apparent limitations (at present?) in the environment rendering. On a side note, I'm surprised no-one seems to mention the 'flooded airport' at 0:42 in the official trailer. FS's "GOT coffee cup"? Erik |
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Post by agent0archer on Jul 3, 2019 11:27:58 GMT -5
Yes I've seen this and I'm very impressed. However if I wanted this thing bad enough, I would have to update my entire computer let alone starting from scratch my virtual world. Money and time to be considered. Allen So much this. I don't want to start over with a plain world. |
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