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Post by Bernard on Sept 17, 2023 15:34:42 GMT -5
Recently I came across an article about the most dangerous airports in the world. Most of them like Lukla, Madeira or Toncontin are well known. However, I am not familiar with the one from Queenstown (NZQN) in New Zealand. After a quick look on Google Earth I searched for this airport in FS9 and found it ... Well, it didn't escaped me that reality and FS9 are worlds apart! My question to you who may be more likely to travel in these areas and have perhaps already been confronted with the problem: is there any terrain tool that improves this specific region? FS Global 2010 doesn't help and makes it even worse. In such cases, I like to use “Flight School” by Dovtail Games for comparison, and at least to see how environment could looks like. By the way and estonishly AI traffic manages the approach quite well! Bernard
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Post by aharon on Sept 17, 2023 19:49:09 GMT -5
It is dangerous airport when you approach runway 23 which requires you to fly between mountains on way to runway 23. Another runway approach to runway 05 is not dangerous as you can fly safely above Lake Wakatipu and Lake Willow on way to runway 05.
Your screenshot showing NZQN airport scenery is missing mountains behind runway 23.
Regards, Aharon
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Post by Erik on Sept 22, 2023 15:48:36 GMT -5
Hi Bernard, Looking around a bit I found that on FlightSim a file search for 'Queenstown' will (lo and behold) bring up 27 files, reduced to 14 when limiting the search to FS2002 and FS2004 IIRC. Among them is 'FS2002/FS2004 Scenery--NZQN Queenstown' by Peter Lohr. This in turn contains the 'NZ Lakes Fix (2002)' by Christian Stock addressing the mesh problem. The latter can probably also be found individually and there may be better, follow-up addons to it. I did not look for those, though. I just installed the Lakes fix (only) in my FS9 New Zealand that is otherwise default, apart from global textures. It does what the information coming with it says: bring a major, albeit not perfect, improvement. I think it is worth installing, which is very easy as a simple addon layer in FS9 with three small bgls only. Here is the result:
The direct link to the scenery on FlightSim is www.flightsim.com/files/file/85915-fs2002fs2004-scenery-nzqn-queenstown/ ; I think it does not exist on AvSim anymore, where the filename would have been nzqnv1.0.zip . The little search on FlightSim does bring up various updates to the scenery that seem worth exploring, should you elect to use (and backdate) the scenery. You will also find these mentioned when browsing some forums on the subject. As said, I only tried the mesh for now.
Cheers, Erik
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Post by Erik on Sept 22, 2023 16:10:31 GMT -5
Hm, P.S.: the Lakes fix does create two big holes in the shore just before runway 05, one more to the right and several smaller ones. Indeed still an improvement and indeed not perfect. ;-)
Erik
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Post by nmlw on Sept 22, 2023 17:38:32 GMT -5
Scenery: FSGenesis World wide. Summer February 14. Erik, Bernard, for some reason your approaches look much more difficult than mine. Just shows how much different sceneries can differ. My Stinson liked it. 1. On approach to NZQN Queenstown, NZ 2. Descending through 6,000 feet. 3. On final. 4. Touchdown.
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Post by Erik on Sept 22, 2023 18:07:23 GMT -5
Hi Larry,
I think that is runway 23, the other side. And my screenshot is just roughly the same angle as Bernard's, much steeper than an approach would normally be. That is if see it right on my phone - off to bed now!
Erik
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Post by Bernard on Sept 23, 2023 14:18:48 GMT -5
Thank you for your very friendly support and help. Based on the recommended addon, I added a small flatten area with FSFlatten. It allowed to eleminate the three holes. However, this took me numerous attempts! The Afcad is from the FSX scenery. Anyway, I haven't in mind to spend my days there! But the fact that an area, no matter how remote it may be, is depicted so unrealistically hurted me. Of course, We all know that it's far from the only one in FS9. Larry, FS Genesis World would certainly improved a lot of these problems. Unfortunately this addon isn't available anymore. Not even at Sparrow Cove. BTW, I'm not sure which approach is more suitable for AI, especially what mountains concerns. Aharon, as the comparaison with Flight School shows, FS9 default landscape is generated extremely poor. Bernard
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Post by mrcapitalism on Sept 23, 2023 14:59:26 GMT -5
I don't know. You're missing some close in mountain detail, but the scenery appears pretty functional for the purpose. It's also a stark difference how much this area was improved in my default FSX:A.
EDIT: I assume this is with the scenery mesh slider set to max?
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Post by aharon on Sept 24, 2023 12:34:39 GMT -5
You're missing some close in mountain detail That is correct. Mountains are missing from the scenery of NZQN.
Here is screenshot by someone showing how dangerous the runway approach to runway 23 is where you have to avoid hitting mountains
Regards,
Aharon
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Post by mrcapitalism on Sept 24, 2023 15:02:21 GMT -5
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Post by Bernard on Sept 24, 2023 16:10:57 GMT -5
Your further tips are appreciated. At least one of them. The NZ Islands Mesh scenery is by far the most suitable. The two others aren't of any use, as they creates cliffs like most mesh programs. Of course it's still FS9, and not FSX ... Bernard
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Post by mrcapitalism on Sept 24, 2023 17:40:01 GMT -5
Be careful, it looks like certain cliffs might be appropriate for the airport. You can see the steep drop at the fence line and at the end of the runways.
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Post by PeteHam on Sept 25, 2023 23:07:27 GMT -5
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Post by aharon on Sept 26, 2023 9:46:11 GMT -5
PeteHam is ABSOLUTELY correct and his flight sim's mountain textures are ABSOLUTELY correct in most realistic real world realism to show how dangerous the runway 23 approach is. His methods are EXACTLY same as what I did for few trips to the same runway. Too bad I cannot find my screenshots in my laptops showing by pure coincidence EXACTLY same as PeteHam's screenshots except I used Air New Zealand 320.
Regards,
Aharon
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Post by Bernard on Sept 26, 2023 11:29:35 GMT -5
Looks nice, indeed. But the airport has to be redone for classic use anyway, because in 1963 it just had a grass runway of 1500 m lenght. A small terminal was also opened then.
Bernard
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