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Post by ashaman on Mar 29, 2012 15:59:41 GMT -5
Those Alfa engines were revised Bristol Jupiters. Hardly Italian engines. Still cannot really understand how in those years we were so behind in aeronautic piston engines to fall back on old British and American radials... even falling into adopting re-branded BMW engines from the ME109 for the few really capable fighter planes we built... and I've searched everywhere on the net about it. To say that up the Macchi M52 and its immediate successors in the years 1927-1929 with their FIAT V12 we were so much on the ball, it was just sweet... Must have been some snag in the " illuminated political management" of Baldy.
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Post by sunny9850 on Mar 29, 2012 17:39:40 GMT -5
Well the cooperation with Germany at least makes political sense. However...the Bf-109 would be a Daimler-Benz engine not a BMW.
The Fw-190 of course was mostly powered by BMW engines. Except for the variants designed around the much more powerful Jumo V-12.
Stefan
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Post by ashaman on Mar 30, 2012 8:24:44 GMT -5
Always confused the two... Daimler-Benz and BMW... and I had a BMW 318i for 21 years too... ;D
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Post by gera on Apr 4, 2012 12:28:25 GMT -5
OK....expect the Flight to be uploaded by Sunday 7th....and hope you all enjoy it.
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Post by ashaman on Apr 4, 2012 19:28:07 GMT -5
OK....expect the Flight to be uploaded by Sunday 7th....and hope you all enjoy it. WARNING: Temporal Anomaly Detected!The 7th day of this month is a Saturday... and of next month is a Monday... Are you going to release it for next Sunday, as in Easter? If yes, then it Sunday the 8th.
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Post by johnl on Apr 6, 2012 16:07:16 GMT -5
Those Alfa engines were revised Bristol Jupiters. Hardly Italian engines. Still cannot really understand how in those years we were so behind in aeronautic piston engines to fall back on old British and American radials... Although the Jupiter had been around in various forms since 1918, it was a very successful and reliable engine. According to Bill Gunston's "Development of Piston Aero Engines" 80% of the aircraft on display at the 1929 Paris Airshow were powered by Jupiters or license-built versions thereof, and Bristol developed it further to produce the Mercury and Pegasus engines.
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Post by ashaman on Apr 7, 2012 7:40:17 GMT -5
I was not criticizing the engines nor the choice of the engines, I simply stated that they were hardly Italian. Hardly real Alfa Romeo. And could not avoid appending my wondering about our ( as in Italians) poor native engines after the mostly successful seaplanes ventures in the late 20ies and their FIAT V12 that already back then, at least under power output, had little to envy to famed names of the second war like the Merlins. Maybe an explanation could be found, carrying out a research of the situation of our manufacturing industry, back then, especially after the various embargoes Baldy collected with his useless colonial wars ( to explain HOW useless these were, we invaded Albania [where my mother's father was wounded] only to soothe Baldy's ego bruised by Baffetto's engaging in a successful war campaign elsewhere in Europe, sent men to die in Russia [coldly stated by the bastard, he only needed dead men] so Baldy could have a seat among the victors that never were [and this almost cost the life of my father's father], and before that warred for Eritrea and Somalia to obtain their absolute wealth of DESERT SAND and then searched Libya by length and by width for WATER, never even once thinking about the petrol that place is rich of) yet I have little time and even less will to waste brain power trying to disentangle that particular yarn at this moment, and was simply wondering, acknowledging the matter ( Baldy and his fragile ego) along the way.
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Post by gera on Apr 9, 2012 11:47:18 GMT -5
I was not criticizing the engines nor the choice of the engines, I simply stated that they were hardly Italian. Hardly real Alfa Romeo. And could not avoid appending my wondering about our ( as in Italians) poor native engines after the mostly successful seaplanes ventures in the late 20ies and their FIAT V12 that already back then, at least under power output, had little to envy to famed names of the second war like the Merlins. Maybe an explanation could be found, carrying out a research of the situation of our manufacturing industry, back then, especially after the various embargoes Baldy collected with his useless colonial wars ( to explain HOW useless these were, we invaded Albania [where my mother's father was wounded] only to soothe Baldy's ego bruised by Baffetto's engaging in a successful war campaign elsewhere in Europe, sent men to die in Russia [coldly stated by the bastard, he only needed dead men] so Baldy could have a seat among the victors that never were [and this almost cost the life of my father's father], and before that warred for Eritrea and Somalia to obtain their absolute wealth of DESERT SAND and then searched Libya by length and by width for WATER, never even once thinking about the petrol that place is rich of) yet I have little time and even less will to waste brain power trying to disentangle that particular yarn at this moment, and was simply wondering, acknowledging the matter ( Baldy and his fragile ego) along the way. I see you are more interested in the "politics" of the time than the flight...... Tech Specs on engines for your reference: ----" The prototype had French Gnome et Rhône Mistral Kfr engines, but further aircraft had 522 kW (700 hp) Piaggio P.X Stella, 574 kW (770 hp) Wright R-1820, 544 kW (730 hp) Walter Pegasus III MR2V and Alfa Romeo AR 125 and 126. Propellers were three-blade, aluminium-steel variable pitch.-----
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Post by gera on Apr 9, 2012 11:48:55 GMT -5
Ok..Pilots, the flight uploads late tonight. I hope those who fly it enjoy it....it was fun making it. ......I now turn to the French Airlines of the time flying to the East in those early times of commercial aviation. Cheers Gera
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Post by ashaman on Apr 9, 2012 13:13:03 GMT -5
I see you are more interested in the "politics" of the time than the flight...... The politics of that time are one of my berserk buttons, I admit, having practically being brought up in an environment that even today despises THAT political current. That said, I was only reminiscing and wondering about the interactions with the decaying performances of the local aviation production of the times. Wasn't trying to steal the thunder of no one. Awaiting for your upload.
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Post by gera on Apr 9, 2012 14:45:09 GMT -5
I see you are more interested in the "politics" of the time than the flight...... The politics of that time are one of my berserk buttons, I admit, having practically being brought up in an environment that even today despises THAT political current. That said, I was only reminiscing and wondering about the interactions with the decaying performances of the local aviation production of the times. Wasn't trying to steal the thunder of no one. Awaiting for your upload. LOL.. ;D ;D What thunder??? I am an avid reader and modeller of the Regia Aeronautica since its conception and have made trips to Italia meeting many Aviation groups. Italia was number one in aviation pioneering and many firsts were done by great Italian pilots of the 1920s and 30s. Like all nations they have their good times and bad ones.....I can mention to you many Air Forces as well as Aviation "Number ones" from many nations which today are only "good old stories" for they are not worth much any more or are in total decay...Balbo´s 24 airplane flight to America and back is my preferred "Adventure Flight"... nothing beats that!!!!
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Post by ashaman on Apr 11, 2012 6:14:41 GMT -5
LOL.. ;D ;D What thunder??? I am an avid reader and modeller of the Regia Aeronautica since its conception and have made trips to Italia meeting many Aviation groups. Italia was number one in aviation pioneering and many firsts were done by great Italian pilots of the 1920s and 30s. Like all nations they have their good times and bad ones... I can mention to you many Air Forces as well as Aviation "Number ones" from many nations which today are only "good old stories" for they are not worth much any more or are in total decay...Balbo´s 24 airplane flight to America and back is my preferred "Adventure Flight"... nothing beats that!!!! Kind of a fatalistic point of view, yours. One great, now poor. Now great, in future poor. Inevitably? Anyway, fact remains that A REASON must exist for a decaying, If a decaying that was. More a sudden total collapse than a decay. A reason we'll never found, maybe, but this doesn't mean it doesn't exist. A sudden total collapse because we were the cut edge of the planes tech already in the last years of the 20ies, but by the half of the 30ies we found ourselves having a military aviation with more planes than any other European nation, but of which a good half were wrecks grounded and cannibalized for parts, the other half were only a little better off, and the totality was so behind the times ( mostly biplanes and the few monoplanes were the kind of the Macchi C200... underpowered and underarmed) it isn't funny to consider even nowadays. Anyway, changing the subject, since my ISP decided that only some three hours ago, more or less, they could reconnect the web to my ( and ostensibly other people's) home and not before, after a whole night with no connection, I'm quite behind... does your upload show already and where?
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Post by gera on Apr 11, 2012 8:34:39 GMT -5
LOL.....anyway you put it, the Regia Aeronautica made great strides in aviation history no matter if one likes it or not.....
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Post by cormack on May 9, 2016 17:37:15 GMT -5
Wow! Just downloaded it. Truly a wonderful route!
Sadly, your website is not working anymore. Where can I find more of your great routes?
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Post by panthomas on May 10, 2016 12:21:59 GMT -5
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