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Post by deltalima on Sept 24, 2014 12:46:47 GMT -5
More or less, Bjoern. I think your earlier listing of traffic for XMR, correct for types, but heavily diluted in terms of volume, would look good. KCOF could have seen a variety of light-ish traffic types, in accordance with what would have been flying there, then. Remember, it's the transition period between the Snark missile guidance testing period and the Atlas/Titan testing. I don't have as much detailed info on what was there in the very early 60s - but by the late 60's, the ARIA (Advanced Range Information Aircraft) fleet of EC-135s were flying - so that gives you a sense of the trajectory of the facility (no pun intended) toward the Apollo moon shots. So the focus was really around range tracking, and it wouldn't have been overly "aircraft" intensive until Apollo got underway in the very late 60s. I'd say early 1960s KCOF air traffic wouldn't have been overly esoteric - likely C-131, L-27A/U-3 types, in regular, but not voluminous traffic. Again - I'm conjecturing; I'm sure others know better. A good read on the focus of KCOF and the other Eastern Ranges during the late 50s to early 70s ... www.patrick.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet_print.asp?fsID=4516&page=1cheers, dl
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Post by milspecsim on Sept 24, 2014 20:31:30 GMT -5
What about the launch sites at Vandenberg AFB? Thor, Atlas and Titan were testing there as early as 1958. SLC-2 (East and West) and SLC-3 were operationg at the time. Just another random thought, what about Soviet facilities? Historical link about Cape Canaveral. www.spaceline.org/capehistory/2a.html
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Post by leutnantwerner on Sept 25, 2014 6:21:42 GMT -5
Hi, Vandenberg AFB and White Sands, thought of it too, but sorry Soviet stuff is not on my list. We had them too long in our backyard, just saying Bernie
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 6:49:11 GMT -5
What about the launch sites at Vandenberg AFB? "CCCoast" with Saturn 5. Bernard
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Post by Bjoern on Sept 25, 2014 15:36:46 GMT -5
I think your earlier listing of traffic for XMR, correct for types, but heavily diluted in terms of volume, would look good. One missile run per week for all types involved? "CCCoast" with Saturn 5./quote] That looks more like a Saturn I.
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Post by leutnantwerner on Sept 26, 2014 2:21:23 GMT -5
Hi, I found another source, the construction of the old Mercury (later renamed Mission) Control Scenter (MCC), of information, regarding also the when and what: HISTORIC AMERICAN ENGINEERING RECORD:Following this text, the time of development realy speeds up in these years (1961/62): So all vital rocket models could be set up in this scene. Cheers Bernie
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Post by deltalima on Sept 26, 2014 14:23:09 GMT -5
Great tidbit there, Bernie. It's been said - 1962 was a good year for Cape activity! Glad to hear about the LODs - with all the LC options, it'll be good for FPS . That said, we should remember what Saturn Launch Vehicles we're talking about. What would have been in place in 1962 was LC-34. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/CCAFS-LC34.jpgThe launch vehicle in question would have been the very earliest Saturn I or - SA-1 as it was known. That basic platform eventually became the basis for the S1B of the later manned Apollo 7, Skylab, and ASTP flights. The larger Saturn V was first launched as the unmanned Apollo 4 in 1967. So in 1961/2, there still wouldn't have been any Saturn Vs, even static testing only models. Only the SA-1 would have been present: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_IBTW - the Saturn V in goldenrocket's image shows USAF - that was never painted on a Saturn V - only USA. And yes, it's a Saturn V, though the SII and SIV skirts are angled in too far, giving it a stumpier look. Could be the basis for a Cape Kennedy 1969 model though ...
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Post by milspecsim on Sept 27, 2014 2:14:54 GMT -5
Third Stage is way to tall too.
Well since you are concentrating on the US side, I'll look into the "Dark Side" lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 4:16:50 GMT -5
Up to now, and since 2006 (!), this small addon is the only one showing a rocket more or less accurate to classic era. Even it isn't perfect, it's still better than inappropriate space shuttles.
BW, that's what the author, Al Wheeler, says in his readme: I know the Saturn V doesn't belong at VBG. I had thought to rebuild it to be a Minuteman missile which you may have found at VBG at some point in history but I think the Saturn V is a beautiful and peaceful machine and I couldn't resist.
But that's not the subject of this thread.
Bernard
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Post by milspecsim on Oct 4, 2014 22:57:58 GMT -5
Anyone know someone at the NRO history office? I cant find late 50's -early 60's overheads of Baikonur or other Soviet era space facilities on the net. OR do I need to file a FOIA?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 5:13:03 GMT -5
That's what German Wikipedia says (translated) about Baikonur:
The denomination of the test site was "research and test site #5", short NIIP-5. The name Baikonur was given to mislead the Western powers. The site at Tjuratam was subject, on one hand, of strictest secrecy, on the other hand, the Soviet government wanted to boast of their successes and after Yuri Gagarin's space flight in 1961 in the public notices also mention a place of missile launches. So "Baikonur", about 320 km northeast of the real site became known as the location of the spaceport.
Bernard
Here some more informations about Soviet/Russian spaceports:
www.spacetoday.org/Rockets/Spaceports/Russia.html
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Post by leutnantwerner on Oct 6, 2014 6:25:42 GMT -5
Hi, here another picture about this project: The old, *warehouse style*, Mission Control Center with the TLM-18 telemetry antenna and the spectator platform. Cheers Bernie
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Post by deltalima on Oct 6, 2014 16:37:49 GMT -5
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Post by leutnantwerner on Oct 7, 2014 3:23:24 GMT -5
It brings some tears into my eyes, to see how the old control center got demolished. Question, is this the place where the Mercury astronauts got prepered before their transfer to the launch pad? Cheers Bernie
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Post by deltalima on Oct 7, 2014 12:54:36 GMT -5
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