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Post by mdeval on Oct 28, 2014 20:42:53 GMT -5
Just took the plunge and ordered a new computer. I was quite comfortable with the Windows XP/ FS9 ins and outs, but with discontinued support, increased hacking risk, I figured it was time to upgrade. Went with Windows 7 as I seem to recall hearing that 8 wasn't so great with FS. Got some Qs about FS9 installation. Should I install in the default location or put it directly onto the C drive ? Will I run into any permission blocks on editing, like I did using Vista ? Also, at this time, I still have an older monitor, not a wide screen. Am I going to have a problem with that ? Any tips and tricks, helpful insights, or just plain 'ol' good advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance, Mike
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Oct 28, 2014 21:32:53 GMT -5
Hi,
I would definitely install FS (and all FS programs) outside any Program Files folder. I installed FS9 into C:\FS\FS2004 on my System 7 machine. All other FS programs went into other folders in the FS folder. Works fine, and very few permission issues. The only programs I couldn't get to work were FSHotSFX and FSDS 2.0 (works in Demo mode only). So I create FSDS models on this machine, and compile them on my old XP machine. The other symptom with several FS programs (Clickteam Installer, AirEd) is they crash when I try to save an edited file. For Clickteam the solution was using Save As to rename my install.iit files to install_TRG.iit - then they save just fine. For AirEd, using Save As and renaming the resulting file back to its old name is my workaround.
Hope this helps,
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Post by zswobbie1 on Oct 29, 2014 6:22:34 GMT -5
Me got a slightly different take on this. I also have Windows7, 64bit, 4gb Ram. I took my UAC slider right down & installed FS9 (2x versions), FSX & P3D in their default directories. In the last 3 odd years, I have never had even 1 problem with thism& never a permission problem. If you ever do get, just run as administrator.
I also find it is easier for auto installers (I hate them with a passion) will always find the directories.
I have installed on many W7 PC's & laptops with never a problem.
Regards, Robin
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Oct 29, 2014 10:46:04 GMT -5
I wasn't willing to drop UAC down (other people use this computer occasionally) and I have always installed FS outside of the default location because it's a shorter path and easier to get to. No installation problems yet, but I don't use a lot of payware.
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Post by mdeval on Oct 29, 2014 11:12:31 GMT -5
UAC ?
Mike
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Oct 29, 2014 12:30:19 GMT -5
User Account Control. Control Panel/User Accounts/Change User Account Control Settings.
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Post by stansdds on Oct 30, 2014 4:59:55 GMT -5
UAC was introduced with Windows Vista is often the culprit of problems with game and simulation software being installed in the default C:\Windows\Programs directory. You can turn it off or leave it on and install programs to a different directory.
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Post by zswobbie1 on Oct 30, 2014 7:37:17 GMT -5
Yup, I realised that there was no practicle use for UAC, especially when it came from Vista. I think there are far too many urban legends about this thing.
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Oct 30, 2014 11:14:59 GMT -5
There is some controversy about its effectiveness, but I err on the side of caution. It gives me another layer of protection added to my anti virus program. Here's where it helps: "By default, even an administrator account in modern versions of Windows does not have full access to modify system settings and install programs. Thus, if you try to install a program or change critical settings, you may see your desktop fade and show only a prompt window asking if you’re sure you want to do this. This is a secure desktop, designed to prevent a program from automatically approving itself. While this may simply seem like a nuisance, it actually protects your system from malicious programs. For instance, if you inserted a flash drive that had a worm virus into your computer, it would attempt to automatically run and install on your computer without your knowledge. UAC, however, would catch it, and ask you whether or not you wanted to install the program. You could easily know that you did not want it since you did not initiate the install, and thus you would protect your computer and data." From: www.howtogeek.com/howto/11584/understanding-user-account-control-in-windows-7/Yes your AV program should catch this, but as I say it's one more layer of protection.
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Post by leutnantwerner on Oct 30, 2014 13:33:29 GMT -5
Hi,
Tom is doing right. I prepared a separate partition, as drive *D* and a folder called *programs*, when I set up my computer with win7.
Here I put all my sim stuff and tools, so I don't have to worry about copy protection.
Partition *C* is therefore only for standard programs.
Cheers Bernie
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Post by mdeval on Oct 31, 2014 9:36:48 GMT -5
OK, the new computer arrived yesterday. After setting it up, installing antivirus etc., I installed FS. Been busy with add on planes and scenery. Hit a snag however. I like to put a shortcut to FS9.cfg onto the desktop. I've searched and searched and can't seem to find it anywhere. Anybody know where it resides on Windows 7 ?
Help !
Mike
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Oct 31, 2014 10:38:11 GMT -5
C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\FS9
Replace username with your account name.
Hope this helps,
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Post by mdeval on Oct 31, 2014 12:22:13 GMT -5
Got it Tom, thanks.
By the way, I put the installation into C:\FS9 and it's working great. No issue with permissions for editing. Did notice though, when adding sceneries, when you click the desired entry in the addon folder and hit OK, it comes up w/ a window listing the Scenery and texture files. Discovered that you need to click an empty space in that window to complete installation. Was this a planned step or just an idiosyncracy of Win7 ? No matter, it all works in the end.
Thanks again for the cfg tip,
Mike
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Oct 31, 2014 12:24:05 GMT -5
It's a Win 7 bug, and is described at the top of my Scenery page.
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Post by mdeval on Oct 31, 2014 12:28:20 GMT -5
So it is, so it is.
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