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Post by coenraad on Jul 10, 2010 4:10:00 GMT -5
Okey today i gotten the scare of my life (and a false hope but that is another story).
I took the Super Connie on another tour while online. It was a 450nm trip and all went well.
Untill i climbed above 15,500ft. Suddenly my MAP dropped by 10-13 and the screen went crazy. FSX looked like it started lagging like mad, the whole game and panels started flickering and striping. The chatbox also went nuts. Everything allmost started to double. Panels would not come up anymore, the normal VC seemingly changed between two versions, a static one and one that was true to what happened. Now i thought that finaly my grafix card broke, so that finaly DELL would understand that my pc was broke. But no it was not the card.
So i logged out, and tried it again. A new flight and new Super Connie, again after few minutes climb and reaching 15,500ft suddenly the MAP dropped and the same issue. I noticed one thing both times. And that is that the carbs where at -10 so frozen. I tried going to a lower altitude, and put on the heaters to see if it changed back. But it did not.
I am not yet totaly sure what caused this, i will try and do some more resting today and come with a hopefully more detailed rapport.
Please note, this happend on just my system, so it might be my system/ fsx causing the problem.
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Post by coenraad on Jul 10, 2010 5:06:27 GMT -5
Okey, did some more testing. This time i kept the intakes warm, and with FSPassengers it happened again and again at 15.500ft at both tries. Without it happens at 18.500ft. Then the inlet temperature is on -10 though.
Also i get a warning "Water Injection Disengaged". Offline the game stays playable, with only minor grafic glitching. But what seems to happen is that Supercharger stage 2 dies. When i go to stage one the MAP does not get lower, but the warning dissapears. When i egage stage 2 the Map does not go up, and the warning comes back.
What could this be? I do lower the throttle before going to stage 2 etc. And i fly acording to the book.
Takeoff i do 55"map and just below max rpm (to keep the lights off).
Right after i go to max sustained for a short while.
Then i go to 41" and 2500rpm at auto rich fuel.
Climb speed at 170kias and 15% cowl flaps to keep temp nice under 200.
At 10,000 i cut throttles almost totaly and go to stage two, then back to 44" and climbing. And engaging the intake heaters when at -5 inlet temp.
So all should be nice and fine. Everything stays in the green just like i allways used to fly her, but right now it gives an error.
My tests sofar.
With fspax, 2 tests, both gave the error at 15.500ft
Without fspax. 1 i ended at 15,800ft with no problems, and the last one i checked til a higher alt, then the error came at 18.500ft.
If anyone could try and climb to 18.500 atleast and see if that problems occurs? I am not sure if it is an FSX only, or maybe even mine. But that would be nice to find out.
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Post by volkerboehme on Jul 10, 2010 11:41:31 GMT -5
Hi,
if this is an reproducible error, please call up the status gauge and take a screenshot. This gauge can be opened by right click on the checklist icon.
Faulty water injection is odd in an aircraft that doesn't have water injection installed in the first place.
Best regards,
Volker
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Post by coenraad on Jul 11, 2010 5:08:21 GMT -5
Ok here they are, two pictures of just before and two pictures just after the error. Before   After:   Also weird is that FSPassengers does not notice the error. Normaly it allways sees it when something breaks down. |
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Jul 11, 2010 11:42:55 GMT -5
Hi,
I assume you have FSX/Acceleration installed? That is presumably where the message in the green band is coming from. I think that has to do with WEP (War Emergency Power), coming from the Acceleration addon?
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Post by coenraad on Jul 11, 2010 13:45:08 GMT -5
I have no acceleration. Only normal fsx, but it has the option for WEP yes.
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Post by coenraad on Jul 14, 2010 2:20:58 GMT -5
Will this issue be looked at? I don't look forward to having to stay under 14,000ft just to be safe for this error.
Yours,
Coenraad
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Post by DanKH on Jul 14, 2010 5:51:47 GMT -5
I would recommend installing SP1 and SP2, before investigating any bugs in FSX ....
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Post by coenraad on Jul 14, 2010 8:46:29 GMT -5
I ofcourse do run FSX with all patches (service packs) installed.
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Post by sunny9850 on Jul 14, 2010 15:52:21 GMT -5
Will this issue be looked at? I don't look forward to having to stay under 14,000ft just to be safe for this error. Yours, Coenraad Not sure how much "looking into" we will be able to do on this one. The only thing I notice is that you loose 10" of MAP in 200ft. But I have only had time to fly the 1049 on FSX once since you reported this....and it climbed perfectly normal to FL190. As I recall I have the Gold edition FSX with SPs installed....but no FSPax or any other addons. I'll try to do a couple more flights before I leave for the Fatherland for vacation....but no promises. Stefan |
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Post by mrcapitalism on Jul 14, 2010 23:41:09 GMT -5
Hi guys! First post, and having the exact same problem...
But before I discuss it I want to tell you guys what absolutely wonderful aircraft these are! I hope to share my experience so that I can help make them even better....
I have FSX SP2 with Acceleration installed, and I think it is Acceleration which is the problem.
I am flying the 1049G with the FDE update (problem began after update installation) using the provided checklists and fuel management charts.
I just reinstalled the FDE and tried another flight, but encountered the same problems. I played around with the supercharger levers and have these notes:
On takeoff I was able to achieve 60"MAP which is over red line.
Upon blower shift at 10,000'MSL I attempted full throttle again and was able to achieve 60"MAP.. I don't know if this is realistic performance.
Passing through 13,100'MSL my MAP dropped from 44" to 35" and I got "Water Injection Disabled" although after my reinstall I no longer experienced a performance hit.
I hit the autopilot on heading and altitude hold and brought up the FE panel. I switched each supercharger to LOW individually and recorded these results:
Blower Engine #1 low, all others high: Water Injection message disappears. #1 MAP drops from 35" to 27," BMEP remains the same at 149. All other engines resume normal MAP, and BMEPs rise to 210 (I never saw BMEP before the event)
Same procedure with #2 to low only: Engine #2 MAP rises 2" from 35" to 37," and BMEP rises from 149 to 210. All other engines remain at 35" and 149 BMEP. Water Injection message remains.
Same procedure for engines 3 and 4: results equivalent to #2 with the tested engine showing the MAP and BMEP rise. Water Injection message remains
When all blower switched to low at the same time: All engines have a MAP drop from 35" to 27" and BMEP shows no change. Water injection message disappears.
Here's what I think is happening (as an amateur). I think that when the blowers are shifted to high, FSX treats the situation as a water injection activation to create the extra power. Although I haven't seen code for a water tank, FSX is drawing water from some unknown tank somewhere. When the tank runs out we get "Water Injection Disabled." However the #1 supercharger lever continuously demands water injection while in HIGH. The continuous water injection ON and OFF commands cause a simulator slowdown. I don't know how this is affecting the other engines.. but I hope my experience helps.
EDIT: Was also wondering why it is that superchargers 2 & 3 cannot be disengaged, if anybody is aware of the reason.
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Post by coenraad on Jul 15, 2010 5:39:10 GMT -5
MrCapitalizm. As for the map that has changed and the super chargers, it is normal. Look at this thread for those answers calclassic.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2863As for the water injection, that sounds very logical. However mine does not change Map anymore after the bug comes. But that message does change. But this might be becourse you run with and i run without Axeleration. (hover SP2 should have it on the same standard but minor differences like this might be there). I gues we'l have to google a bit to see for a solution as on how to disable to water usage from the WEP if that would be the case. If i have some time i will try and look at it between now and monday. I will have to call DELL again today though so i might have to deliver my laptop for a while, but i will report back as soon as i have found out more. |
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Post by volkerboehme on Jul 15, 2010 10:12:42 GMT -5
Hi,
I have not replied earlier because I have no FSX myself. Thanks for posting the screenshots. By judging from the status gauge, there seems to be no problem.
I assume that it is an interaction either with the variation of FSX/service packs or FSPassenger installed. Triggering an undocumented water injection command might be possible, but currently that's just speculation.
The issue with (cabin) supercharger disconnect is explained by Sunny in reply #2 in the thread mentioned above.
My suggestion: Disable FSpassengers and give it a try again. If it still happens, install the original release FDE. You m giht not run into this kind of problem then.
Best regards,
Volker
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Post by coenraad on Jul 15, 2010 14:43:20 GMT -5
It also happens without fspax. I am a bit reluctant to use the old FDE as i actualy liked the new one. I'll see if i can check that water injection stuff sometime. When not too buisy.
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Post by sunny9850 on Jul 17, 2010 16:14:01 GMT -5
I can't quite tell from the screen shots but is it possible that the problem happens exactly when the blue bug on the #1 MAP goes below the indicator needle  To make the FDE as real as possible Luis had to use a few tricks in his bag. But to be even more "real" the user has to follow the blue bug as it shows the theoretical MAP limit based on the current OAT, KIAS and so on. Not sure how FSX might interact with that particular code....but if that is indeed when you get this weird phenomena I try staying just below blue bug on the next attempt. Stefan p.s If that is not the case try changing this line in the aircraft.cfg [piston engine] ::: ::: ::: emergency_boost_type=1 (this is the current line) to emergency_boost_type=3 and see if it still happens....I think the airplane basically runs out of ADI water. But I can't see a parameter anywhere that specifies just how much water there is  |
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