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Post by ronnieduck on Nov 25, 2009 7:47:33 GMT -5
Hello
I fly the lovely Connie online with SquawkBox on the vatsim servers across Europe. Lots of fun but I miss one thing!
Nobody else can see my Connie. Some see a ? Qmark others an airbus or something but nobody sees the connie!
Is there a way to show the Connie to the rest of the online world??
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Nov 25, 2009 10:48:37 GMT -5
As far as I know, they must also have that exact Connie loaded for them to see your aircraft.
Hope this helps,
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Post by ashaman on Nov 25, 2009 18:29:07 GMT -5
Under FS IVAO, the PC that sees you must have the same MTL to represent your plane correctly (which is sort of a specialized AI plane used by IVAO). Under the X-plane IVAO instead the CSL are used, and though being different in the use, they act [mostly] the same way as the MTL, though these last are much more comfy, as they are installed automatically by the FS-ivap (IVAo Pilot) software, while the installation of the CSL must be made manually, as the development of X-ivap is WAY behind its FS counterpart and takes no care to facilitate your online experience.
In FS, meeting someone while flying and not having the MTL assigned to the kind of plane the other person is using is very difficult, as the installer takes care to suggest you to install at the very least the most used planes on the network with a blank livery, but AFAIK at least, should that mismatched encounter happen, the plane you'll see will be another plane of the approximately same weight and/or dimensions among your MTL. So instead of a Connie you'll see a 737, or an A320... depending on hairy factors I know little about. Under X-plane the dynamics are even more hairy, and an A320 can be substituted to a Cessna or the other way around with a disconcerting freedom, and seen that the installation of said CSL is to the care of the user, and that some CSL may make the interface malfunction and make the other planes invisible to you (but not the other way around) not promoting easy trust in CSL installation, mismatches are the rule, not the exception.
Never I heard of a flying question mark in IVAO though. I must admit it would make me smirk, should I meet one, but I never met anything like that. ;D
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Post by Johan Dees on Dec 4, 2009 18:01:33 GMT -5
How on earth did you do it?
I tried in vain to do this, but they didnt let me, a lot of talk about airways and such.. Then I upgraded to a 747-200, with vor to vor, but still access denied.
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Post by ashaman on Dec 4, 2009 23:47:05 GMT -5
How on earth did you do it? Where you talking with me? They are rule addicted, even the real world is more forgiving than them... Same goes for IVAO. Though to tell the truth much depends from the person on the other mike, the bad apples way outnumber the good guys on a good day. I could tell a lot of stories about this... I myself got fed up of it after a little while and nowadays only fly online when with friends and being careful to take off in zones with no control whatsoever... and catch the flak of a lot of other online simul-pilots when they get to know my philosophy... " why are you doing this" " why do you fly online at all" " where's the challenge"... pah... I use FS for fun, and while flying with friends is honest fun, I am not into try and unofficially study for a real pilot license ( that at my age first, with my chronic lack of money second, my poor sight third, and with my damaged right arm to close the coffin on the matter, I would never get anyway, at least here in Italy), and while learning something is indeed nice, having people online treat you like crap and at times even worse than drill sergeants did when I was in the army because of a honest to gosh mistake is not my concept of fun.
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Dec 5, 2009 11:15:34 GMT -5
I agree. Our Saturday multiplayer sessions have very few rules, and we do it just for fun.
But each to his/her own, and if you enjoy high pressure flying then that's great.
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Post by sunny9850 on Dec 5, 2009 21:26:29 GMT -5
Try Vatsim Canada at CYVR for a more true to life experience. And I mean that in the best possible way. Sure they too insist on a few rules and regs but with v...e...r...y few exceptions all their controllers are great guys/gals with an understanding that not everyone is a grey beard senior captain ...especially on day one. For those who are really new to the ATC world outside of FS native system they occasionally have a Saturday session to show new-bies the ropes in a absolutely pressure free environment. And no I am not part of the team and as I think about it ever since the L-1049 project I have not flown with them But I did fly both the L-1649A and the L-1049 series online with them on a few occasions without any problems. Want to fly VFR with a bit of "flight following" or traffic advisories..also not a problem, traffic permitting just like in the real world. I have to agree that for some reason especially the european Controllers seem to have a higher percentage of ...well unfriendly guys in their group. I did fly a few legs between EDDS-EDDF and EHAM and other locations and was surprised how nasty some of the guys were...especially when they were factually wrong. I am a licensed pilot with a IFR rating and I do fly in the real system here in SoCal all the time. And I have flown in other parts of the country and in Mexico and Canada....and while in the real world there are unpleasant power obsessed folks at the other end of the "line" as well...I have only come across one or two. A Multi with like minded friends is however much more my cup of tea these days. Stefan
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Post by Johan Dees on Dec 8, 2009 15:14:37 GMT -5
All nails on the head sir's. We do it for fun, not to 110% mimic real world, and I can understand that when there is busy airspace of a flyin they want to keep 'some' rules, but when the whole country does not contain 1 airplane, and my destination is a nieghbouring country has none in the air and its getting late, why disallow anything ?
Maybe we can team up on a private server together ? but some friends has to do some atc to get it an extra punch to it. But then I dont know how radar was in the late fifties for atc ? more or less the same as now?
I did it a couple of time (playing ATC) in the old SATCO days's and that was fun. We just could take a small region or island, and with some friends I played atc, and they approached, fun easy and not as in real life, but who cares if fun is number one rule!
Johan
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Post by sunny9850 on Dec 8, 2009 19:03:48 GMT -5
Skip the radar entirely and work with position reports only. We have done this in the past on our VAs MP server and simply used FSNavigator to give the "controller" a birds-eye view of the scene.
Stefan
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Post by coenraad on Dec 10, 2009 10:14:58 GMT -5
Wich Flight sim do you guys fly? 2004 or FSX?
Greetz Coenraad
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Dec 10, 2009 10:36:18 GMT -5
We have people flying both FS2004 and FSX in our multiplayer session, but it's mostly FS2004.
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Post by coenraad on Dec 10, 2009 11:04:53 GMT -5
Ok, as i see some are fed up with human atc's, At the server i fly at, we use a Bot atc, that we give commands via the chatbox. And the bot then gives you instructions via voice, so you need to tune the radio etc. So for those totaly fed up with human ATC's, feel welcome to give it a try, when you guys aren't all flying together fo course. It only supports FSX though.
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Post by Johan Dees on Dec 10, 2009 11:15:57 GMT -5
How does it work? is it a special program? and can it be adapted to FS2004?
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Post by mgr on Dec 10, 2009 11:49:33 GMT -5
Hello Johan,
VATSIM is a realistic online-flying network, which ask effort from both controllers and pilots alike.
Regards,
Marcel VATSIM Controller & (propliner) pilot
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Post by coenraad on Dec 10, 2009 12:29:32 GMT -5
Not sure if it is adaptable to FS2004. The bot is a development by a German man who also hosts the server. The Bot sees where you are. etc. He still develops the bot, and does all in his spare time, so it does not go very fast but at the moment we have allready many functions. The bot works as follows. You can do Jobs, and virtual lifes (airline company jobs) All those things add to a score. Those points can be used to gain licenses. To take a licence costs like 2000 points. And an intrictior will take your exam. In time it will be down to your licence what you can fly(ie. ultralights, props, twinprop, smal jets, jetliner). But as for now one is totaly free to what one can fly.
The Jobs work as follows. You can either do a random job, where the bot choses where you need to fly to, from the airfield where you spawn. Or you can chose your won destination.
Commands are given with exclamation marks. So lets say i want a job. I type !job ,Now i see a message Coenraad (small story about why i fly where), so you need to fly to EHAM, the distance is XXXNM and you have XXminutes to get there. The job is worth XXX points. Now i have a job and want to take off. I make sure my plane is ready and then do the folowing. I check if there is a bot atc on the airfield i am on. if not i can add one. !addtower EDDF 125.30 (now i added a tower at EDDF on frequency 125.30) I switch my radio to 125.30 and type !taxi Now the bot talks to me, and calls me by my callsign and tells me to taxi to for example runway 18 and hold short there. I taxi to the holding point there. and after a short while i get clearance to line up. (if there are other planes landing or taking off first it will tell me to wait, or sometimes they have *paper trouble with my take offlince and tell you to stand by) After lining up the bot atc will give me clearance and tell me to climb to 4000 or 4500 feet and maintain runway heading. After that, or after leaving the airspace they give me clearance to resume own navigation. I now can fly to EHAm however i please. Now i switch to the Freqency of EHAM. I type !atc to see where there are atc's and see that EHAM is on 120.12 so i switch there. Then i contact the tower there by !land EHAM. Now the bot will tell me that i am still out of EHAM controlled airspace. What runway to expect for landing. The bot will tel me to maintain atleast 10.000feet. And that he will contact me again when i get inside their airspace. Normaly you get contacted around 35-50nm out. and the Atc will tel you what heading to fly and to descent to either 6000 and later to 4000feet. it will direct you to the last checkpoint, and then give you clearance to turn for final, and if available she will at times tell you the ILS frequency as well.
After landing the bot will give the points for the flight and you get bonus points for correctly following atc rules.
That is the !job function. I can chose my own destination by typing !job <ICAO> , for example !job ENGM. That would give me a job from where i am to Gardermoen , Norway.
That is the Jobs.
Now there are also Virtual Airlines, so called Virtual lives. There players have set up an airline, and bought landing rights at airfields. And there if you join and start. one types !vl. and then you get a schedule of a list of airports that you need to fly to. The time limit there is a bit strickter then on Jobs. as the time available s shorter and is restricted to 10 mins early to 10 mins late. So there you fly like a reall pilot from destination to destination while maintaining a strict scelude. Here the bot will auto add towers(atc's) for you at the airfields you visit. And will tell you what frequency to go to.
The VL feature still has some bugs though, so the VL's are at times a little buggy. But the owner of the bot is working on that.
Ther are allso !jobliners. they are the same as a VL, but the Jobliners are random airfields rather then the player bought airfields of the VL.
This all is run by a man we know as Testili (for short Mr.T). For more info you could allways contact him, in cases you could fancy something like that for FS2004.The way i am informed is that he develops this bot in his spare time(so yes at times progress is a litle slow on bugs). But tha he is trying to make it a 100%stable program that can eventualy be sold. We have without a doubt the most populair public fsx server, with at times over 60 people online. And this all running quite stable (as far as the FSX/gamespy stability goes. Some days 12 hours without a single D/C and other days 4 in 20 minutes, but thank god those are very rare)
It has many features. And much more to come for sure. The only thing that is a downside for me, is at the host airport, are also many newbies/retards that either runway spawn or like to crash you. But that is just the host airports. The Experience people often fly at other airports.
We also do Tours. We had one last weekend. Where we did a tour in the Sheyelles (or however that is written) And at one time we had 13 people together there. That was lots of fun.
Greetz Coenraad
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