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Post by dc6tryer on Oct 27, 2008 10:57:55 GMT -5
Hello, I feel in my water that this is going to be one extraordinary package due to all the hard work and time it's creators have put into it. I will just say 'Thank You All' and I am now going to wait patiently by Avsim's front door to download this, the most beautiful and poetic (get a grip, Andy ) of airplanes. thanks again, Andy.
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Post by Colonial on Oct 27, 2008 11:36:30 GMT -5
I am constantly amazed by the work and effort people put into to create these kinds of things.
Personally, I have little skill at modeling, programming and the other things one needs to create something like this. I am sure I could pick those skills up, get help and figure it out, however I don't have all the time in the world. And realistically, I most likely will not take the time to do so.
So in the end I am relegated to be a spectator, a beggar, a follower of those leaders who do make the effort to build, create (re-create as it may be) and bring something truly fulfilling, unique and worthwhile to the community. Some folks don't see these efforts clearly, and heap criticism and nit-pickiness upon those who made the effort. In model railroading we call them ‘rivet-counters’ and while they may have a place, I can’t stand them. I like realistic models, and if I was an aircraft modeler, I would appreciate constructive and respectfully communicated information to help me improve my effort.
Case in point (to some degree) is Mike Stone. I am sure there are others as well who have left the hobby in disgust at being treated badly for their generosity and the desire to provide the fruits of their labour to others for nothing more than the accolades, respect and support of their peer and support group.
(Disclaimer, I am in no way saying that we have that problem on this forum, people have always shown the utmost respect and fairness to those who contribute in this way. I am speaking more broadly about the hobby as a whole).
I often struggle with how to properly express to someone my appreciation for their work enough that they sit back from their computer and nod to themselves and say "Well I feel good, I am glad I did that for the community, its all worthwhile". How do we show appreciation for these kinds of efforts? Is 30 pages of appreciative forum posts enough? Or should there be more. This is the crux of what I often wonder, because I don’t want those people to stop!
One has to remember that everyone is different. I have found that most people engaged in flight sim are not motivated by money, awards or the like. They are motivated primarily by the desire to fill a hole in the FS world, either an aircraft that no one has done before, or an improvement over something from previous versions. Why do they get so motivated? Love I think. Love created by memories of something that will never be seen again or hasn’t been seen.
For some, it is about having been there and seen the real thing, now never to see it again in that context and in real life revenue service. For those people, its about the desire to 'have' those times again.
Then there are others who are too young to have experienced those memories, like me. Those people are motivated by an appreciation of history, utilizing the memories of those who were there and then re-creating the past, such as Manfred is doing with the Starliner. The fun of the work can sometimes be the research, the building and the improvement of ones skills.
To summarize this whole thing I would say that most people create these projects driven solely by enthusiasm, creativity and the fact they have the skills to make something like this a reality. In the case of the Starliner, we have what is and will be one of the most realistic and true to life reproductions of the L-1649 ever seen. And it is freeware!
That brings me back to appreciation. How fo we appreciate the team that has contributed to this one particular effort? Is a forum post saying as much enough? Or should we do something more, and if so, what? I think Manfred and team do it because they want to, not for money, but just for contributing something to the community. Doing the research, the work, and seeing something come together in such a way is more than likely enough for Manfred and team. And if I am wrong, I would assume that they would communicate that.
My apologies for the long diatribe, I just felt I needed to express my own deep appreciation specifically in regards to this project and the work that has, is and will continue to go into it, but more broadly to everyone who has ever done the work to bring anything to the community and asked nothing for it in return. It's what makes this hobby enjoyable, unique and exciting.
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Post by Maarten on Oct 27, 2008 11:44:46 GMT -5
What else can one say? To me, Colonial, this is exactly what it's all about. You couldn't have said it better. Thanks to all. Cheers, Maarten
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Post by Colonial on Oct 27, 2008 11:48:37 GMT -5
Thanks Maarten, I didn't want to steal everyone else's words We have lots of good, generous people in the world and I want to do whatever I can to continue to encourage them all to keep it up. What with all the bad news we are constantly bombared with everyday, it can be easy to forget that overall, the good people outnumber the bad and we have some darned fine FS models! ;D
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Post by canuck on Oct 27, 2008 12:09:57 GMT -5
Colonial.. I'm with Maarten, and many others I'm sure.. I came into an awareness of aviation, just as the propliners were on the way out.. As a passenger, I missed the opportunity for the thrill of the sound and vibration 4 triple compound Wright's at full throttle; as a pilot I missed the opportunity for the challenge of launching off on a 15 hour mission with your cockpit team, knowledge and skill and a great airplane.. With what Manfred and team have done, I get a chance to [vicariously] experience this.. BRAVO !!.. Thanks for the many hours of enjoyment and challenge this aircraft brings to my flight sim hangar..
Glenn Reed
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Post by bernardo on Oct 27, 2008 12:24:41 GMT -5
;D Speechless....Waiting, have no nails left!....
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Post by ascua02 on Oct 27, 2008 14:41:38 GMT -5
Colonial, this is not stealing words, from my point of view, you are talking for all of us.
And to the Starliner team, the only thing I can do is giving them my most heartfelt
THANK YOU BOYS!!!
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Oct 27, 2008 14:48:09 GMT -5
Hi,
I agree with everything, Bud. You got it right on.
I do see less and less of these type of contributions in the larger FS community, though. This is partly due to people burning out (like Mike Stone) and partly due to the escalating complexity of the creation process for FSX (and even FS9) - people just won't do that much work for free. Luckily we still have some great people in the Classic community that still like working for the thanks you get. And we also have the advantage of a mature community that doesn't whine or demand things.
My favorite "thank you" messages are from people that often are discovering our world for the first time (and often by accident) and then tell me how grateful they are that they can relive important moments of their lives through flight sim. I've had everything from sons of airline pilots that used to fly with the son on his lap, to a small boy making his first airline flight across the Atlantic in a propliner, to honoring their deceased father by creating the airliner he flew, to a 5 year old waiting at Gatow airport to be evacuated out of Berlin during the Airlift. All of these brought a very warm feeling in my heart knowing that I helped (in some small way) to bring these important events back to life for them.
Take care,
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