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Post by Johan Dees on Jan 7, 2012 8:57:21 GMT -5
I wrote more about it in the Propliner Flyer Magazine.
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Post by Dennis the menace on Jan 7, 2012 14:49:53 GMT -5
HAHAHAHAHA I am laughing my azz off right now! It looks like MS has launched it's own Edsel with Flight. This is what happens when you get MBA pinheads who see only the next quarter profit and loss sheet instead of fostering and nurturing a long term vision of a better flight simulation product.
That "game" (there are no other words to describe MSFlight) is an insult to the intelligence of anyone who takes flying seriously.
Flight is directed to the 12 to 22 year olds who have an attention span of 5 or 6 minutes at most. One island and two GA? They will quickly get bored with it, and I'm sure most will not buy any upgrades - sales will not materialize and then MS will kill off the product. That will then be the end of Flight.
Of course as is the rule in the USA today, when you create a total flop, ruin jobs, drive down stock prices, what do you do? You give yourself a HUGE multi million dollar bonus (at a 15% cap gains tax rate, mind you) and testament of "what a great asset you are to the company".
Bury this lemon in the graveyard of corporate committee half-backed schemes like "new Coke", "Convair 880/990", and "Edsel".
In the meanwhile, I'll stick to working on vintage scenery for FS9 and let the amateurs and kiddies have a go at "Flight".
that's my two yens worth,
Mike
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Post by ashaman on Jan 7, 2012 22:00:08 GMT -5
Avsim is not the only forum in uproar about this case of CFIT by M$, and I must say I am perhaps the only one of those forums NOT surprised about the news.
Disappointed, sure. Angry, yes. Surprised... nope. When they let out their project of stealing the aftermaket add-on circuit from the traditional payware houses, and even the freeware coders (an absolute first in the FS franchise) to try and put together a monopoly based on the God $, I began smelling burnt oil...
...and now looking at their engines, I see too many props feathered for them to make it to a safe landing, even if they surely delude themselves of a different outcome.
Rest in peace, Flight Simulator. We did not have to wait for the 23 December to see an age reaching its end...
For now and a long while FS2004, maybe even FSX, if some free non-M$ related coder manage to make it stable, are still with us... when these will fall, another will take their place, but it will NOT be a GAME.
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Post by vhbob on Jan 7, 2012 22:26:45 GMT -5
G'Day All
Will "Flight" eventually have Skymarshalls and points to be scored for each bad guy you shoot or is it not "As real as it gets" this time.
Trev.
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Post by jan on Jan 8, 2012 16:38:31 GMT -5
I think that you must give it a chance, there is a potential in it. When FSX came out it was burned down to the ground  And now it is the world after some several expensive scenery's, with FSX i fly only in the addon scenery's of course because the default is really crappy  The default scenery in flight is better than the default popping up scenery in FSX The only thing is that there are beta testers(hence the leaks) who don't like it while they aren't very constructive either...... If they won't give a positive input they are never to be able to change things..... Speculations are okay,but accentuate the positive to rule out the negative  And in the meantime if it is going to be a faillure we still have prepar...and that one is also going to be better after it's last upgrade. My regards |
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Post by ashaman on Jan 9, 2012 4:36:17 GMT -5
I think that you must give it a chance, there is a potential in it. In a GAME you MUST download ONLY and gives you THE SOLE HAWAII and THREE PLANES and ALL THE REST YOU MUST BUY?  A great step forward indeed... even FS3 was better equipped.  When FSX came out it was burned down to the ground Nowadays FSX works and functions propping itself on a hardware that is SIX years the elder of the hardware of when it was marketed for. Back in those days, allow me to remember you, NO BLOODY PC ON THE PLANET COULD KEEP UP WITH FSX. It deserved all the success it DIDN'T get , in retrospect, did it not? Nowadays of course some things are changed... its instability though remains and unless someone put a patch to it, said instability makes FSX poorly suited as a serious sim. The default scenery in flight is better than the default popping up scenery in FSX Let's define this once and for all: SCENERY that you MUST PAY CANNOT be defined DEFAULT. It's like defining a software as " freeware for sale". The only thing is that there are beta testers(hence the leaks) who don't like it while they aren't very constructive either...... Please define " constructive" here. Speculations are okay,but accentuate the positive to rule out the negative Right, after all M$ has its RIGHTS, while the potential buyers can go eat rat's meat for all they care, so long the PAY M$ for WHATEVER THEY DO, be it good or bad. And in the meantime if it is going to be a faillure we still have prepar...and that one is also going to be better after it's last upgrade. I guess you were inferring about Prepar3d... that is a PRIVATE use of ESP technology by Lockheed to test their projects before actually building them and NEVER even ONCE was promised to be sold to the public as a PC sim... Moderator Edit: to remove personal comments about other forum members. |
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Post by Johan Dees on Jan 9, 2012 8:26:10 GMT -5
I agree a lot with you Ashaman.
Prepare3D is no solution. It will never have any serious enough followers for 3th party support. Nor do we know how long LM it will see viable... or valuable. Could be terminated every day.
Flight isnt a breakthru. Looks more or less the same as FSX, performs better, but not to the ammount of a well deserved wow. It runs as bad as FSX on my PC. Remember FLIGHT currently has no ATC, no ships, no cars, no AI, no moving water, no real weather, that way it can be faster, but not much.
Add that all in, I wonder what will be left of it.
And FSX is not a serious option, still need a very good PC to get it running reasonable. And its absolutly not stable. CTDs all over te place.
Johan
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Post by jan on Jan 9, 2012 12:50:51 GMT -5
You have a few points i can agree with Ashaman, for me flight wasn't exactly wat i expected but it runs pretty good on my 3 year old desktop.
But if they wanna sell it they have a lot to do to please the crowds.
With default scenery i only mean ms standard, not specificly how you difine it.
It is possible that they give you a standard earthscenery as now is the case with the hawaiian islands in beta and that you can choose to upgrade it in different ways.
I must agree that it is not an ideal situation that you only can order via windows live the extra content.
I rather buy a box like the previous sims.
Once i had wings of pray for the shooting fun and that one could be installed and activated 3 times after a reinstall .
That is the same silly sort of things nowadays with those programs.
But i try to put my findings to their attention in a normal manner without the rant you find between al the comment and feedback on the beta site.
We shall see what happens.......
And in the meantime i will fly on with our beloved calclassics and i hope that the compability with windows will stay for a long time.....
My regards
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Post by thomas on Jan 9, 2012 14:33:45 GMT -5
Change the subject slightly: any news from the old MS Flight Sim team (Aces??) which MS retrenched and which have apparently regrouped to continue building sims?
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Jan 9, 2012 20:39:37 GMT -5
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Post by johnhinson on Jan 10, 2012 13:47:39 GMT -5
I don't really see any reason to get outraged. Microsoft are pitching it as a game and those of use that don't "play games" but "use simulators" (which must be surely 100% of those on this forum?) should just ignore it as most of us do any other "game". Microsoft have already put a gap between this and Flight Simulator by a) discontinuing development of Flight Simulator and b) calling it something different. It isn't a replacement for Flight Simulator.
The policy of offering a limited part free of charge is nothing new (the word demo comes to mind) and the idea of offering downloadable add-on chunks fits perfectly with Microsoft's policy regarding other, non-game, software for the future.
It isn't for me, I'm sure of that, but I don't find it a huge surprise.
John
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Post by chris_c on Jan 10, 2012 20:33:32 GMT -5
What John says. I imagine that M$ will make money from M$ Flight since this seems to be the way ahead for commercial software: they just won't have any of mine.
Chris
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Post by propspinner on Jan 14, 2012 15:28:54 GMT -5
Hi guys, The only time I fly by my mouse only is when I have the autopilot on. ;D I figured M$ would head in this direction. More attention is paid to the "doesn't take any experience" to get started. "just jump right in" Oh, did we tell you folks that the next time you fly on a real plane there will be a ten year old kid setting in the captains seat pushing a mouse around. Sad part is I was so hoping they would improve something. FSX is ok but as some of you are aware it does have many drawbacks. Guess I'll just have to be content with it. The only thing that makes it worth while is flying these wonderful aircraft that you folks have put some much time and love into. Thanks guys |
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Post by ashaman on Jan 14, 2012 21:59:30 GMT -5
I don't really see any reason to get outraged. Microsoft are pitching it as a game and those of use that don't "play games" but "use simulators" (which must be surely 100% of those on this forum?) should just ignore it as most of us do any other "game". Microsoft have already put a gap between this and Flight Simulator by a) discontinuing development of Flight Simulator and b) calling it something different. It isn't a replacement for Flight Simulator. There would NOT be a reason to get outraged if M$ had decided to develop Flight as a dumbed-down game-alternative to FS11 AND chosen to develop this last too for those who want to put a little brain behind their actions, when in the simulated cockpit. As things stand, it is a proper act of betrayal towards those who held the FS brand in great consideration ( everyone on this forum, to start with). Outrage is not only justified, but the least they should expect from their former customers. |
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Post by capflyer on Jan 15, 2012 2:16:57 GMT -5
Or they could just sit there and laugh their way all the way to the release because of all the ignorant speculation occurring and then wait for everyone to eat crow just as many have with FSX.
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