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Post by Bernard on Aug 22, 2023 12:30:24 GMT -5
Sorry Tom , but could you create a sub-board for MSFS, as you did for FSX & P3D? Discussions could go on there and do not dilute the initial classic spirit, for what we follow this remarkable forum. Thanks for thinking about.
Bernard
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Post by jacklyon on Aug 22, 2023 13:08:19 GMT -5
I don’t think the main problem is converting FS2020 itself to a classic world (although freeway interchanges next to many airports, modern city extents, and lack of older navaids makes it much harder), the main problem is that it has taken many years of hard work to get FS9 to this point, with classic airports spread around the world and a large assortment of classic aircraft. It will take years of effort to bring FS2020 to the same level of detail and I don’t know of anyone willing to put in that kind of work for my CalClassic 1950s/1960s world. That said, I will certainly welcome any classic and vintage additions to the sim, and celebrate their arrival with you. It’s always a good thing. Yes Tom, i am agree with you, it will take a while, but i think, if there are enough freeware MSFS developers interested in vintage things, that will arrive. FS91 got 20 years of work on it (release in 2003), if Microsoft/Asobo, not change his actual philosophy, and SDK retro-compatibility, is maintained, (between MSFS 2020, 2024, 2028, etcetera) sceneries (and aircraft) freeware/payware will come. in the meanwhile, we got all already developped for FS91/FSX/P3D/XP11, and the new things that will arrive to MSFS. Thanks, again, for all your work and support, on your site and on this forum.
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Post by jacklyon on Aug 22, 2023 13:12:06 GMT -5
I read all your posts, i'm honestly not understand well the point: 2) there are already a HUGE amount of freeware and default (payware quality) vintage aircrafts on MSFS out of the box. Not true. It is NOT huge amount as FSX has MORE MORE MORE HUGE amounts of historic jet and historic propeller planes. I do not see 707s I do not see DC-10s I do not see 727s I do not see L1011s I do not see DC-4 or Electras. That is why I refuse to move from FSX to MS2020/MS2024 until the two new flight sim platforms have all planes that FSX has. I do not see DC-9s I do not see BAC 1-11s and so on' Regards, Aharon
Hi Aharon, yes it's right, is not (yet) so huge than FSX. (FSX release was 2006 (17 years ago), and MSFS was released in 2020 (3 years ago), and complete SDK release is less than 1.5 years. But, again, it's not obligatory to "leave" one simulator to use another, we can user all of them. I use, P3D with my scenerys and others scenerys and aircraft, i use FS91 with my scenerys and others scenerys and aircrafts, and same to MSFS.
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Post by connieguy on Aug 22, 2023 15:18:16 GMT -5
I would endorse Bernard's request that what are looking like increasingly frequent posts about MSFS are moved to a place where they will not interfere with the unique focus of this unique forum; or vetoed completely?
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Post by mrcapitalism on Aug 22, 2023 16:53:43 GMT -5
I've never played FS2020, but I'm going to jump in and defend it.
CalClassic absolutely has a place in FS2020.
The new sim might be lacking in classic scenery and infrastructure, but it's new terrain engine is fantastic for pioneer and vintage simulation. It already has a large number of pioneer and vintage aircraft. It seems since the view out the window is the selling point, it would make sense to release aircraft which are heavily reliant on that view. Trimotors, Fokkers, Cubs, Beavers, Gliders, Helicopters. They're also probably easier to create for the team.
When I fly my FS9 Ford Trimotor in FSX in the Central Valley, I really don't care that the line feature that I'm following (I-5) was built after the aircraft was retired.
FSAviator even makes this same case in the PT2008, "Yes, the current main road is bigger and better than it was in the pioneer era of aviation, but there was a road to follow even before WW1."
I personally don't think it's fair to throw out all of the new sim just because the satellite images are from the current date. Backdating the simulation is an interesting aspect of classic flight simulation for me.
Another benefit the improved scenery has applies to Classic era seaplanes. Theoretically, we should have highly detailed ports of call all over the entire planet, from which we can immerse ourselves in Pioneer, Vintage, and Classic seaplanes. And heliports, something I still lack in FSX.
If we have a lack of scenery (for those of you that use it) I think that the growth of classic flight simulation in FS2020 and FS2024 will create the demand that could support their development.
Are you all just gonna let these poor lost souls become the "Children of the Magenta(GPS)" that Asobo so desperately wants them to become?
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Aug 22, 2023 19:15:22 GMT -5
I will be happy to create an MSFS sub board, but I do not limit the main discussion forum to just FS2004. The FSX sub board was created because forum users wanted a place to keep their FSX posts together. But I’ve never limited them posting FSX threads in the main discussion forum as well. Just to be clear. 😁
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Post by Bernard on Aug 23, 2023 2:23:38 GMT -5
The quintessence is that a wide variety of topics come up. The original FS9 users, who have been loyal to this forum for years, are marginalized. Other forums have clearly separated the areas of interest. Every particular simmer finds his particular contents.
Unfortunately, there is already a lot of passivity. Whether this will get better with MSFS, I doubt. The interest to stay still active here has dwindled a lot for me. Therefore I will mainly continue contribute to Vintage Flying with my own forum.
I thank all FS9 users for their valuable and determined contributions during very long years. But this unique project seems obviously reached its zenith.
Good luck! Bernard
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Post by stansdds on Aug 23, 2023 4:56:39 GMT -5
If I move to a 64-bit flight sim, it will be to Prepar3D, as most FSX aircraft and scenery will work in P3D, at least up to version 5.
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Post by jacklyon on Aug 23, 2023 6:36:27 GMT -5
The quintessence is that a wide variety of topics come up. The original FS9 users, who have been loyal to this forum for years, are marginalized. Other forums have clearly separated the areas of interest. Every particular simmer finds his particular contents. Unfortunately, there is already a lot of passivity. Whether this will get better with MSFS, I doubt. The interest to stay still active here has dwindled a lot for me. Therefore I will mainly continue contribute to Vintage Flying with my own forum. I thank all FS9 users for their valuable and determined contributions during very long years. But this unique project seems obviously reached its zenith. Good luck! Bernard Bernard, you are wrong. this is and always was a forum for people that love to fly "vintage" "classic" on simulators, ALL simulators, some of us also, that love to develope classic scenerys and aircrafts, for ALL simulators never was a forum for "FS9 users", we are not "FS9 users" we are "classic/vintage simulators users". you are building walls, where there are not. you are marginalizing yourself hope you will understand one day PS: I will not post in MSFS subforum, i will continue to post in main classic discussion forum. No sense for me, to create artificial boundaries.
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Post by jacklyon on Aug 23, 2023 6:42:46 GMT -5
If I move to a 64-bit flight sim, it will be to Prepar3D, as most FSX aircraft and scenery will work in P3D, at least up to version 5. Hi, this is not exact, a lot of aircrafts, that can work on FS91/FSX/P3D until V3, not work on V4 (and V5). Sadly only "native FSX" aircrafts, work ok on P3D V4 or P3D V5 cheers
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Post by mrcapitalism on Aug 23, 2023 7:26:33 GMT -5
If anybody is going to complain about being left behind, its the FS2000 FS2002 users. I think Tom took their aircraft base packs off the site.
Yeah I think the native FSX aircraft will be compatible only up to P3Dv3. At least as told to me by the freeware and payware I have/see.
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Aug 23, 2023 8:32:36 GMT -5
I use P3Dv4.5 and my FSX converted aircraft work just fine in that sim. I don’t know about v5.
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Post by aharon on Aug 23, 2023 12:18:50 GMT -5
If I move to a 64-bit flight sim, it will be to Prepar3D, as most FSX aircraft and scenery will work in P3D, at least up to version 5. I am not sure about sceneries but FSX aircrafts will work up to v4.5. Only clever programmers can make FSX aircrafts work in V5. I have not seen any proof of FSX sceneries working in any version of P3D but I can be wrong about FSX sceneries being working in P3D.
Regards,
Aharon
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Aug 23, 2023 13:02:58 GMT -5
I had never tried a scenery in P3D (I was only using it to test my FSX aircraft conversions), so I loaded the FSX version of London EGLL 1962 into the sim. The buildings, runways, taxiways, aprons, and ground polygons display just fine. The FS2004 derived terrain (airport polygon, etc.) do not display correctly at all and some default objects are all around the airport (I think it's all autogen?). So that would need to be worked on. Also, all the object libraries do not appear. Otherwise it seems OK.
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Post by jacklyon on Aug 23, 2023 17:29:56 GMT -5
I use P3Dv4.5 and my FSX converted aircraft work just fine in that sim. I don’t know about v5. Yes, i not explained me well if an aircraft is converter to full 100% native FSX format, normally work without problems on Prepar3D V4.5, and if work in V4.5 (64 bits), normally works also in V5 (but i not have V5 either)
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