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Post by warbaby on Aug 20, 2023 20:08:35 GMT -5
My son just bought himself a new PC, and among the games he picked up was MSFS. He invited me over to check it out. The last flight sim I bought was fs2004, and I was determined to stick with it because it runs almost flawless, and because of the scenery creators on this site. But after checking it out, I was blown away. The planes are crystal clear, the scenery was intricate and precise, the wx engine looked like I was looking out the window. All in all it was like watching live video. And for the first time I thought about relegating the old flight sim to the shelf. Having said that, I just downloaded more fs2004 classic airfields. My son doesn't fs, he's more of a Call Of Duty fanatic, so it was fun showing him how to fly the planes the best I new how. But that sim...wow.
Allen
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Aug 20, 2023 21:22:21 GMT -5
Oh it’s visually impressive, no doubt.
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Post by nmlw on Aug 20, 2023 22:24:20 GMT -5
Yes, the scenery is impressive, but when flying classic 50's and 60's in MS2020 and upcoming 2024 you see things in the scenery that obviously couldn't have been there in the propliner era.
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Post by Bernard on Aug 21, 2023 2:55:13 GMT -5
Of what? For whom?
Bernard
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Post by chrisjmsargeant on Aug 21, 2023 3:49:52 GMT -5
I’ve been a long term flightsimmer user and love the Classic Prop Liner/first generation jet era of the late 1940’s onwards, which had culminated with FS9, together with Cal-classics numerous Aircraft and Scenery addons plus, HJG, David Maltby, etc., etc. I had to upgrade to a new PC this Spring and purchased MSFS plus new Honeycomb Control Hardware. Yes, the visuals and menu interfaces are great but, there is a real lack of detailed pdf manuals provided, necessitating many hours of viewing albeit, helpful YouTube videos. I love the default DC3 with the Duckworth Mod but unfortunately overall, the Sim is aimed at modern users with virtually every plane having a glass cockpit. Also, the World Map is lacking in many VOR/NDB’s. (I see there is now an add on of reinstating obsolete UK VOR’s which I feel I must obtain.) I also miss a proper simple replay tool to review my landings since, my opinion is still undecided regarding close to the general ground handling characteristics. I am planning to purchase the PMDG DC-6 in the near future, which appears a good product. As mentioned elsewhere here, there is some backdated to 1935 payware scenery by a publisher Redwing and now note same is being sold in packages on the MSFS Marketplace, making that of more interest to us vintage era flyers at least pricewise! The foregoing is all just my five pence/cents worth and don’t mind anyone debating or even disagreeing with me…😊
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Post by stansdds on Aug 21, 2023 4:59:00 GMT -5
From what I understand, MSFS is visually impressive as are most X-Box games, but it is primarily a VFR sight seeing sim.
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Post by Herman on Aug 21, 2023 7:11:30 GMT -5
Some interesting comments. I have been using FS2020 for quite some time now. It is unfortunate that there is no early time period airport scenery soft ware available. There are now quite a good selection of Historic Airliners available on FS2020 such as the PMDG DC-6B and REdwing Lockheed 1049G etc. What I do when flying those aircraft and am surrounded with modern airliners.... what I try to do...... is..... to imagine that I am flying a restored aircraft for display and AIR Show purposes. Somewhat crazy.. is'nt it Herman
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Post by Herman on Aug 21, 2023 8:17:33 GMT -5
Just wanted to add..... that besides using FS2020.... I still quite often will use FS2004/FSX for flying a variety of other airlines and aircraft from calclassic. Herman
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Post by johnhinson on Aug 21, 2023 8:29:12 GMT -5
The problem with a title line like this thread has is that the original poster is speaking for themselves and not for all - no offence intended but you do see this on many forums and on many subjects. The great thing about Flight Simulation games (that word may offend some!) is the ability to use them how you wish.
This will certainly not "end" anything for me - like many I have specific reasons not to want to move on to the current MSFS despite its beauty. The key one is severe astigmatism which causes me to get very disorientated in a Virtual Cockpit arrangement, but I have other reasons of choice too. For me I shall be with FS2004 until either I become too ga-ga to play with it, or technology stops me using it.
Best regards,
John
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Post by aharon on Aug 21, 2023 12:04:39 GMT -5
There is NO NO NO NO question that MS2020 and the coming MS2024 are amazing and NEW KINGS of flight simming platforms BUT BUT I will NOT move from FSX to MS2020 or MS2024 until those two new flight sim platforms have ALL THE SAME freeware or payware PLANES that FSX has. As long as the two new flight sim platforms do not have any historic jet or historic prop planes, I am NOT leaving FSX until the two new flight sims have ALL the planes that FSX has.
Regards,
Aharon
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Post by jsaus on Aug 21, 2023 13:18:15 GMT -5
I use FS2004. Never heard of MSFS.
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Post by chrisjmsargeant on Aug 22, 2023 2:34:32 GMT -5
Further to my previous post and now reading the subsequent ones on this topic, I generally feel we’re all here basically ’singing from the same hymn sheet’. I think another factor is that, the new younger generation who have discovered MSFS, only know modern glass/gps type cockpits/instrumentation, etc., unlike I guess, the vast majority here who can fondly remember the great times gone by in Aviation.
When I have time, I will try and get my Honeycomb Alpha/Bravo Controls to work satisfactorily with FS9 since, I do miss the older flight environment and notwithstanding the 2D Cockpits! 😊
Cheers and Best Wishes, Chris
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Post by jacklyon on Aug 22, 2023 7:42:12 GMT -5
I read all your posts, i'm honestly not understand well the point:
1) FS2004 is not (out the box), a "vintage flight simulator", is also a modern simulator as all the others microsoft FS (last one included)
2) there are already a HUGE amount of freeware and default (payware quality) vintage aircrafts on MSFS out of the box. 2.1) for half price most of time that products for FSX or P3D, you can buy some extra vintage aircrafts
3) there are few vintage freeware scenerys also that are appearing, a lot of great vintage freeware library for developers 3.1) From payware side: redwing make a huge amount of (30s golden age) scenery. (i put already a post), great quality, not so expensive, you can buy in "bundles".
4) MSFS SDK is truly open, more open and with more tools for freeware developers (out of the box), that all the other FS family SDK came with.
5) you got truly great looking grass out of the box, in simulator, great for "vintage airfields", (and you can use it directly, just put a polygon with SDK or a photo cell with "green"
6) never like today, was more easy to put forest (great looking forest) with SDK tool, (just a polygon with height and density)
7) never like today, was more easy to create runways, and modify places, that with SDK MSFS
8) the graphic engine of MSFS, make even and straight converted others simulators 3D models, to look better, (without modifyng anything!), even better if you do some modification.
9) the hardware requirement of MSFS, are not more higher than those you need for FSX or P3D (running well)
10) MSFS 2024, will probably improve several of this things.
Nobody says, that we must stop using FS91, FSX, P3D, XP11, XP12, i use most of them not so often than some time ago, but i use all of them
But, i think that MSFS, is really a good news, and a truly "sucessor", of FS91 for Classic developping.
In some time, vintage air traffic, will arrive, and more vintage era, scenerys and aircrafts, and librarys, will come.
I will work on freeware vintage scenerys for MSFS, (and i am not the only one)
So, i think, is not the "begining of the end", is more like a "reborning" of our classic hobbie.
Cheers.
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Aug 22, 2023 9:50:56 GMT -5
I don’t think the main problem is converting FS2020 itself to a classic world (although freeway interchanges next to many airports, modern city extents, and lack of older navaids makes it much harder), the main problem is that it has taken many years of hard work to get FS9 to this point, with classic airports spread around the world and a large assortment of classic aircraft. It will take years of effort to bring FS2020 to the same level of detail and I don’t know of anyone willing to put in that kind of work for my CalClassic 1950s/1960s world.
That said, I will certainly welcome any classic and vintage additions to the sim, and celebrate their arrival with you. It’s always a good thing.
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Post by aharon on Aug 22, 2023 10:16:50 GMT -5
I read all your posts, i'm honestly not understand well the point: 2) there are already a HUGE amount of freeware and default (payware quality) vintage aircrafts on MSFS out of the box. Not true. It is NOT huge amount as FSX has MORE MORE MORE HUGE amounts of historic jet and historic propeller planes. I do not see 707s I do not see DC-10s I do not see 727s I do not see L1011s I do not see DC-4 or Electras.
That is why I refuse to move from FSX to MS2020/MS2024 until the two new flight sim platforms have all planes that FSX has.
I do not see DC-9s I do not see BAC 1-11s and so on'
Regards,
Aharon
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