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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Apr 9, 2009 0:09:35 GMT -5
Hi all, OK, I got the fixes done faster than I thought. If you downloaded them before you read this sentence, please download and install again before testing. If you have downloaded and installed the DC-6A/B with new VC then you know the routine - install the package(s), remove any existing duplicates from your Aircraft folder, and go fly. You will add any other liveries (i.e. from the web) to these Base Pack folders. First read the Mini-Tutorial (posted earlier) for all the fine points on how to handle the planes. Then read the new Handling Notes (the Ref file in the Kneeboard - press F10 while flying). They now include links to the main phases of flight. Finally, fly the planes and let us know here in this thread how they fly for you. I will warn you, they are harder to handle than before - you will need to really practice to be able to anticipate when to deploy flaps to nail the Vref speed on final approach, for example. You will have a little more help, though, since the CalClassic Notepads are now included, with all the planning and real time help they provide. You can download them from my Convair and Martin pages (they've been released). Again, let us know in this thread if you see any problems. This was a very complex project and I hope I got everything right - again. Thanks,
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Post by Mike on Apr 9, 2009 5:46:53 GMT -5
Thanks Tom. Downloading now. It's good to have the weekend to test in. So many planes, so little time to enjoy!! Cheers, Mike
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Apr 9, 2009 12:35:09 GMT -5
Hi,
They are available again - please redownload and reinstall if you have them installed already.
Sorry for the problems,
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Post by eddiejez on Apr 10, 2009 13:14:21 GMT -5
:)Hi Tom , took the 440 and 340 for a ride I like the new fd makes landing better , all good from my point of veiw ,only one snag so far the engine start fx in the installer is the usual propliner start fx but in the aircraft config its says cv340 engine startup fx ? ,was nice to fly rgds Edd
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Apr 10, 2009 13:29:26 GMT -5
Hi,
Thanks. I'll fix the effects.
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Post by Mike on Apr 11, 2009 10:19:17 GMT -5
Hi Tom, Thanks for the oportunity to test the new FD. They make the Convairs much better to fly, if you fly by the numbers, which is the whole point. First landing was lousy - too high, too fast etc . But after that, I was pretty close to the required speeds. You definitely have to plan ahead, but if you do, then the approach is much more realistic, based on my real world pilot training experience. Also notice much less of a tendancy to fly nose down. I've flown the 240, 340 and 580, and will give the 440 a try later tonight. I have however had a look around all cockpits just to check things out. I've also abused the airframes and engines , and crashed them more easily than before, so definitely more tricky to fly. Flying becomes more of a discipline, which again, is the whole point of these changes. I did, however, notice a few things, but not related to the new FD. Firstly, on loading each plane, the notepad pops up OK, but on checking the weights, I found in all cases that the MTOW figures are lower than the MLW figures. Strangely, as I get further into the flight, this corrects itself. This happens in all piston engined Convairs, but not the 580. It loads with the correct figures to start. I haven't used the notepad before testing the DC-6B, so can't say if this has happened before. I've also noticed that the eye point is different in each model Convair. THe 2D forward view is the same in all cases but left and right 90Degree views are different in all. Ditto for the VC in all. In the 340, it's further back than the 240, whereas the 440 is further forward. In the 340 VC view, the pedestal is largely obsured by the pilots seat. I also noticed that the texturing on the VC panel is different in each. It's been a while since I've flown the different Convairs back to back so I can't say if this is also the case with the current versions or not. It's not a big deal at all, and I'll probably standardise them all on my favorite viewpiont when they're finalised anyway. I mention it in case you want to make changes. In your livery guide, you make no mention of the button nosed CV240. I have a couple of repaints with this, so I'm wondering if there will be a button nosed model with the final release, and will this guide be updated to reflect which should be which? Also, the Trans Australia CV240 had ventral stairs, so should be aliased to that model. Lastly, I had a CTD error which I've never had before, while I was taxying to a parking spot in the CV-340. The error came up as an issue with a file called FE.DLL. I have no idea what that is, so it may not be related at all. Can you throw any light on this? Thanks to you and FSAviator for your hard work on this. It's definite improvement of my favorite twin. I look forward to the final release. Cheers, Mike.
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Apr 11, 2009 11:44:33 GMT -5
Hi,
FE.dll seems to be related to video drivers and texture loading. So it could be due to one of the plane's textures, I'm not sure.
I didn't find any CV-240 liveries using the button nose at AVSIM, at least from what I could tell in the pics. Let me know which ones you think should use them. I've added the VS to the TAA livery, thanks.
Thanks for the heads up on the eyepoint issue - I don't fly from the VC in these planes and thus did not investigate that.
The different VC textures in the CV-340 are a test of Edd's textures - let me know which you like best.
Here are the correct eyepoint lines (in the plane's aircraft.cfg file for the moment:
CV-240: eyepoint=20.0, -1.85, 3.9
CV-340/440: eyepoint= 21.30, -1.85, 3.9
CV-580: already correct
To fix the startup effects for people that have already downloaded the planes, just make sure that there is a startup line in the Effects section of the plane's aircraft.cfg file that looks like this:
startup=fx_engstrt_propliner
I've uploaded new versions of the planes with these things changed.
Thanks,
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Post by riogrande on Apr 11, 2009 13:18:44 GMT -5
Tom,
Took my FAL 340 around the block at XDEN and sure liked the feel and the notepads. Can't wait to take it to Alamosa! It would be nice to have the icons for map, etc. Also would be nice in the DC-6s to have the VOR mile counter (my brain isn't coming up with the proper term, right now).
Marv
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Post by johnhinson on Apr 11, 2009 14:58:24 GMT -5
Lastly, I had a CTD error which I've never had before, while I was taxying to a parking spot in the CV-340. The error came up as an issue with a file called FE.DLL. I have no idea what that is, so it may not be related at all. Can you throw any light on this? FE.DLL crashes are usually caused by bad textures. They can be in scenery or on an AI aircraft. They are unlikely to be related to the aircraft you are flying unless it happens when you switch to an outside view. It can, unfortunately, be a very tedious process tracking them down, because AI aircraft can be in different positions even if you save a specific situation just before a crash. I think FE stands for Flight Environment. John
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Apr 11, 2009 15:30:53 GMT -5
Hi,
Click on the DC-6 ILS gauge to get DME for NAV1.
Hope this helps,
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Post by Moses03 on Apr 11, 2009 18:17:37 GMT -5
Had a look through my 240 cfg and the only ones aliased to the button nose model are the Central and Mohawk (late) liveries. I don't think either one ever made it out to California.
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Post by Mike on Apr 11, 2009 21:23:44 GMT -5
Hi Tom,
Thanks to Tom and John for the explanation re the FE.DLL crash. I'll repeat the exercise again in another plane and see what happens. It occurred at Vancouver, so it's only a short flight from my default of Seattle.
Re the eyepoint, the files as downloaded are: CV-240 CA-18 and CB-16 [Views] eyepoint=20.3, -2.05, 4.1
CV-340 [Views] eyepoint= 21.30, -1.915, 3.95
CV-440 [Views] eyepoint= 22, -2.115, 3.516
I haven't made any changes at all to these planes, as the point is to test as is. Personally, I like the CV-440 view best, as this gives the best view left and right in 2D mode. I also don't fly these in VC view, but I just thought I'd check them out as part of the test. It's 10am right now here in Perth (just dragged the aging carcase out of bed) so I'll take another look later today and let you know which VC textures I like best. I take it these are also a work in progess??
Lastly, regarding the button nosed VC model, in addition to the button nosed 240's mentioned below by Moses03, I also have the US Coast Guard HC-131, FAA T-29 and a recently released "Caroline", which is a repaint of a 240 apparently used by JFK during his 1960 election campaign.
Cheers, Mike
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Post by weberjf on Apr 12, 2009 9:48:35 GMT -5
RE: button nose 240 - I have Ozark & Trans Texas. For Moses03 - Where did you get the Central? - I've been looking for that one.
I too see the Max takeoff wt. situation.
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Post by riogrande on Apr 12, 2009 13:05:24 GMT -5
Tom,
I'm having a problem with the Frontier 340 - I'm about 70 miles out of Denver on the way to Gunnison and my Vista powered computer is CTD. Started over and the same thing happened again. Even the "saved" flight is crashing at start up. I do have MegaCity Denver running, but it is not crashing until out of the area. I can't tell what's causing the crash though.
Marv
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Post by Tom/CalClassic on Apr 12, 2009 14:19:37 GMT -5
Try deactivating the Denver scenery (and all other addon scenery) and try it again. Probably a scenery crash.
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