Old ships in old sceneries

[brn1976]

I took the liberty to do the thing I did with the Hong Kong Harbour this time with Sydney Harbour. I replaced the modern ships with classic ones.


Same for Botany Bay next to the airport.


And once I was at it, I also removed the iconic Sydney Opera House and the Sydney Tower, as in 1960 they were not built yet.

[emfrat]

Good Work brn1976!
Before the Opera House, there was a tram (trolley, streetcar) depot there. www.photosau.com.au/cos/scripts/ExtSearch.asp?SearchTerm=026545
I'm still looking for a good Sydney Harbour Bridge - it is definitely not a feeble wireframe thing like the default.

[brn1976]

Glad you like it!

I had a quick look on wikipedia, and it seems in 1960 the place was already a building site (construction of the Sydney Opera House started in 1960).

Last but not least I also changed Manhattan:


I removed the WTC completely, but I guess there would be many other buildings to be removed to make it look like the 1960s.


I thought of removing the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge, but as it was already under construction in 1962 (the date of Tom's Idlewild scenery) I left it there.

[Deleted]

Hi,

You might delete Rickers Island Bridge and Throgs Neck Bridge, both in the vincinity of KLGA and inexistent in 1960.

BTW, I did a resembling ship scenery at Hudson River piers (Circle Line is AI and does the famous around Manhattan Island trip) ...


and USS Midway at US Navy Yard (AI, not static).


Cheers,
Bernard

[Matthew Anderson]

Nice work! Let me see if I can identify the ships in Ocean Liner row. RMS Queen Elizabeth (Cunard), RMS Mauretania (1938) (Cunard), SS Brazil (Moore McCormick), SS United States (United States Lines) and some American Export-Isbrandtsen liner (which is odd, considering Isbrandtsen and American Export weren't merged until 1964).

[Mike]

Love the old ships, especially the Sydney shots. That's where I docked as a "10 pound pom" in 1967. All you need now is a few Manly ferries and the look would be complete.

Cheers,
Mike

[Deleted]

Jul 19, 2013 19:31:58 GMT -5 Matthew Anderson said:

... some American Export-Isbrandtsen liner (which is odd, considering Isbrandtsen and American Export weren't merged until 1964).

Matthew, thanks for clarification. I just used what I got with the object library ...

Cheers,
Bernard

[brn1976]

Jul 19, 2013 18:09:02 GMT -5 @goldenrocket said:

Hi,

You might delete Rickers Island Bridge and Throgs Neck Bridge, both in the vincinity of KLGA and inexistent in 1960.

The Rikers Island Bridge is removed by the Classic KLGA I assume, as I have no bridge there in the first place. The Throgs Neck Bridge I removed meanwhile (but not yet in the beta Is ent you last night).

[Matthew Anderson]

Bernard,

You are most certainly welcome. All that needs to be changed on the American Export-Isbrandtsen ship is the hull color. Before the merger, American Export used black hulls on their vessels.

[essub]

Hi Bernard,

where did you get these wonderful steamers from - are they also in the static objects library?

Cheers

Kalle

[Deleted]

That's right, Kalle. The file is called "Classic_Ships_library.bgl".

Cheers,
Bernard

[ejoiner]

Great Job! I love the new york ships. You have the SS United States and the Il De France in there it looks like. For the Sydney harbor, would be great if you could take the white hulled cruise ship and make the ship stack corn yellow only. This would then look like the old P&O ships. Too bad no twin stack side by side stacks like the Canberra! Now that was a famous UK ship.

[Matthew Anderson]

Furthermore, it's too bad the America and Queen Mary aren't around either. Those would be fun to have around.

[Tom/CalClassic]

I think there is a white liner with solid yellow stacks in the library, but it's not called P&O.

[Dennis the menace]

Hi

I'm glad you are enjoying my old ships for FS. I am the author. I created these generic "period" ships to replace the ugly, out of proportion, over-scaled FS9 default ships that I became so tired of seeing. I designed these generic period ships with multiple LODS to reduce frame rate usage. I personally categorize these ships as "level three" scenery objects (level one - scenery objects on apron sides of the terminal and primary airport objects; level two - scenery objects on the street side of the terminal; level three - peripheral scenery objects; level-four - scenery objects inside of cities and towns.

None of these ships is designed as a unique ship. There is no "Queen Elizabeth", "United States", "Mauritania" or "Andrea Doria" etc in my classic ship scenery objects. These classic ships are only composites of designs that were common in maritime use for the post world war 2 era until the late 1960s. Any resemblance to a unique or "named" ship is purely coincidental. I did this on purpose, as I knew this library would be uploaded and used by many different scenery designers, and I did not want to see the "Queen Mary" or "United States" or "Constitution" in every single port and scenery, and I knew that is exactly what would happen if I elected to design a "named ship". You would end up seeing the popular liners over and over and over again all over the place. So what you get from me is a generic large liner, medium liner, pre-world war 2 liner, tramp freighter, oil tankers etc. It is much better this way as far as realism goes.

There is no American Export-Isbrandtsen liner in my ships package. There are however several American Export Lines funneled ships. There were practically no "purposely built" cruise ship during this time, and so liners were used for this role, and thus often ill suited for the purpose. Cunard for some reason painted the hulls of several old liners a "medicine green" color for cruising purposes (Ivernia and Franconia come to mind). These hastily converted ships did not offer the amenities that cruising demanded, such as outdoor pools, air conditioning throughout (necessary in hot climates) and other leisure activities. Cruising at this time was simply a way for shipping companies to ensure that these old liners would produce some amount of revenue as opposed to sailing the North Atlantic routes with only a 20 to 30% passenger load.

I did not do any P&O lines ships, sorry    Keep in mind there there are other ships that served Australia.  Reference the "Classic Ships Information" text found in the Static Objects "Library Text Files" folder for information.  Blue Funnel Lines, through admittingly getting long in the tooth by this point in time, still had a few ships in use in Australia, as did "British India Lines" which was part of P&O until 1972.  There is a "small liner lloyd cruise service" that has a white hull and all buff funnels that can be used also.

Here is an American Export lines liner circa 1959 (buff funnel, with white stripe outlined with narrow red bands, and black top):


Here, in this 1961 brochure, you can see the hulls painted white for cruise service.


I have included a "Classic Ships Information text which lists the shipping line, home country, and usual ports of call (destinations)frequented by each line. I sincerely hope that it will be of use to you when you place you ships so you get the proper lines in the proper geographical areas of the world.

For more detailed information, please reference this site:
www.timetableimages.com/maritime/

cheers,
Mike